Equation of a sphere in XYZ coordinates

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The discussion revolves around the equation of a sphere in three-dimensional space, specifically in XYZ coordinates. Participants are tasked with showing that a given equation represents a sphere and finding its center and radius.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore how the constants in front of the squared terms affect the sphere formula. There are attempts to complete the square for the Y and Z terms, and questions arise about the formula for the equation of a sphere. Some participants express confusion regarding the manipulation of terms and the implications of their equations.

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There is ongoing exploration of the problem with various interpretations being discussed. Some participants provide guidance on completing the square and rewriting the original equation, while others question the validity of certain steps taken in the process. No explicit consensus has been reached regarding the correct approach or final outcome.

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Participants note the importance of maintaining clarity in variable notation and the potential impact of constants on the equation's structure. There is also mention of the need to check work when completing the square, indicating potential misunderstandings in the algebraic manipulation involved.

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Homework Statement


Show that the equation represents a sphere, and find its center and radius.

3x2+3y2+3z2 = 10+ 6y+12z

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


3x2+3y2-6y +3z2 -12z =10

My equation is how the constants in-front of the squared terms affect the sphere formula? Besides that I should be completing the square for the Y and Z terms right?
 
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ReidMerrill said:

Homework Statement


Show that the equation represents a sphere, and find its center and radius.

3x2+3y2+3z2 = 10+ 6y+12z

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


3x2+3y2-6y +3z2 -12z =10

My equation is how the constants in-front of the squared terms affect the sphere formula?
What is the formula for the equation of a sphere? That would have been good to put in the Relevant equations section.
ReidMerrill said:
Besides that I should be completing the square for the Y and Z terms right?
Yes.
 
The formula of a sphere is
R2=(X-X0)2 +(Y-Y0)2 +(Z-Z0)2

So I tried working further and eventually got to
3Y2-6y=10
(Y-1)2 =13/3

3Z2-12Z =13/3
(Z-6)2=37.44
3X2 +(Y-1)2+(Z-6)2= 37.44
so R2=37.44 and R=6.12
 
ReidMerrill said:
The formula of a sphere is
R2=(X-X0)2 +(Y-Y0)2 +(Z-Z0)2

So I tried working further and eventually got to
3Y2-6y=10
(Y-1)2 =13/3

3Z2-12Z =13/3
(Z-6)2=37.44
3X2 +(Y-1)2+(Z-6)2= 37.44
so R2=37.44 and R=6.12

Your "equations" ##3Y^2-6y=10##, ##(Y-1)^2 = 13/3##, etc., are meaningless in this problem. You are trying to find constants ##a, b, r## so that the equation
$$3 x^2+3 y^2 + 3 z^2 -6y - 12z - 10 = 0$$
becomes
$$3 x^2 + 3 (y-a)^2 + 3 (z-b)^2 - r^2 = 0$$
The second equation must hold for ALL values of ##x,y,z## that satisfy the first equation, and vice-versa.
 
ReidMerrill said:
The formula of a sphere is
R2=(X-X0)2 +(Y-Y0)2 +(Z-Z0)2

So I tried working further and eventually got to
3Y2-6y=10
(Y-1)2 =13/3
You shouldn't drag the constant term from the original equation along. Instead, you can say
\begin{align*}
3y^2 - 6y &= 3(y^2-2y)\\
&= 3[(y^2-2y+1)-1]\\
&= 3(y-1)^2 - 3.
\end{align*} Note that ##3y^2-6y=3(y-1)^2-3## holds for all y whereas the equation you started with, ##3y^2-6y=10##, doesn't. (Also, don't use y and Y interchangeably. It's sloppy and incorrect.)

The original equation can then be rewritten as
\begin{align*}
3x^2 + (3y^2 - 6y) + (3z^2-12z) &= 10 \\
3x^2 + [3(y-1)^2 - 3] + (3z^2-12z) &= 10 \\
3x^2 + 3(y-1)^2 + (3z^2-12z) &= 13
\end{align*}

3Z2-12Z =13/3
(Z-6)2=37.44
3X2 +(Y-1)2+(Z-6)2= 37.44
so R2=37.44 and R=6.12
You should check your work in completing the square. I don't get (z-6)^2.
 

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