Equation of velocity with quadratic drag, vertical throw

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The discussion focuses on deriving the velocity equation for an object moving vertically upwards under the influence of gravity and quadratic drag. The net force is expressed as m*dv/dt = -mg - kv^2, where k represents the drag coefficient. The user attempts to separate variables and integrate, leading to a complex equation involving arctangent functions. They express uncertainty about the correctness of their derivation and the simplification of the resulting equations. Ultimately, the goal is to solve for the velocity as a function of time, incorporating initial conditions.
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I am having trouble deriving the velocity equation for an objekt moving vertically upwards. the net force will be
m*dv/dt=-mg-kv^2
where k is the drag. At the time t=0 the object's velocity wil be
v(0)=v_0
 
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haruspex said:

im not sure how they get to that equation, and why they are using y, which seems to be an height.
I have tried seperating the variables, and have come to this integral
-√(m/gk)∫1/(1+u^2 )du=∫dt
where u is a substitution defined by
u=√(k/mg)⋅v
which leads to this
-√(m/gk)⋅arctan(√(k/mg)⋅v)+c=t
however I'm not sure if this is corrrect, and the constant c must be solved for the condition t=0 and v(0)=v_0. Furthermore this will have to be solved for v, because i need the velocity equation.
 
Hannibal123 said:
im not sure how they get to that equation, and why they are using y, which seems to be an height.
I have tried seperating the variables, and have come to this integral
-√(m/gk)∫1/(1+u^2 )du=∫dt
where u is a substitution defined by
u=√(k/mg)⋅v
which leads to this
-√(m/gk)⋅arctan(√(k/mg)⋅v)+c=t
however I'm not sure if this is correct, and the constant c must be solved for the condition t=0 and v(0)=v_0. Furthermore this will have to be solved for v, because i need the velocity equation.
That all looks correct. Can you not rearrange it easily enough into the form v = f(t)?
 
for the start condition (t,v)=(0,v_0) i can only cook c down to this
c=√(m/gk)*arctan(√(k/mg)*v_0 )
which is going to give a pretty nasty equation when inserted into the previous equation, that i want to solve for v?
 
which i eventually solve to this for v
tan((t-√(m/gk)⋅arctan(√(k/mg)⋅v_0 ))/√(m/gk))/√(k/mg)

or in a more pretty picture: http://imgur.com/V53iV

but I'm not sure if it's correct, or if it can be shortened
 
arctan(v) = t+c
v = tan(t+c) = (tan(t)+tan(c))/(1- tan(t)tan(c))
v0 = tan(c)
v = (tan(t)+v0)/(1- tan(t)v0)
 
I don't really follow you there, would you mind elaborating that?
 
-√(m/gk)⋅arctan(√(k/mg)⋅v)+c=t
arctan(√(k/mg)⋅v)=\frac{c-t}{√(m/gk)}
√(k/mg)⋅v=tan(\frac{c-t}{√(m/gk)})
=tan(\frac{c}{√(m/gk)}-\frac{t}{√(m/gk)})
=\frac{tan(\frac{c}{√(m/gk)})-tan(\frac{t}{√(m/gk)})}{1+tan(\frac{c}{√(m/gk)})tan(\frac{t}{√(m/gk)})}
At t=0:
√(k/mg)⋅v_0=tan(\frac{c}{√(m/gk)})
√(k/mg)⋅v=\frac{√(k/mg)⋅v_0-tan(\frac{t}{√(m/gk)})}{1+√(k/mg)⋅v_0 tan(\frac{t}{√(m/gk)})}
v=\frac{v_0-\frac{1}{√(m/gk)}tan(\frac{t}{√(m/gk)})}{1+√(k/mg)⋅v_0 tan(\frac{t}{√(m/gk)})}
 
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