Equations of Motion & Forces of a Motorcycle Suspension

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The discussion revolves around modeling the equations of motion and forces involved in a motorcycle suspension system, specifically focusing on how road bump forces are transferred to the motorcycle. Participants explore various mathematical approaches and physical principles related to the dynamics of the suspension system.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a free body diagram and derives several equations of motion for the motorcycle suspension, seeking guidance on solving for forces and velocities at specific points.
  • Another participant combines equations to simplify the model, questioning how to further simplify and integrate the resulting expressions to derive forces.
  • A different participant notes the complexity of the system, emphasizing the need to consider varying damping values and the effects of harmonics due to the mass of the bike and suspension characteristics.
  • One participant expresses a desire to simplify the model by avoiding gas dampers and focuses on a specific initial condition involving a bump, asking for suggestions on how to integrate with respect to bump height.
  • The integration approach is discussed, with participants sharing their thoughts on how to handle the relationships between displacement, velocity, and acceleration in the context of the bump height.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have differing views on the complexity of the model, with some advocating for a simpler approach while others highlight the intricacies involved in accurately modeling the suspension dynamics. No consensus is reached on the best method to proceed with the integration and modeling.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the integration process, particularly in relation to time and displacement. There are also unresolved questions about the assumptions made in the model, such as the treatment of damping coefficients and the effects of varying forces during suspension travel.

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Spring Mass Damper Solution of a Motorcycle Suspension

I am trying to create a model of a motorcycle suspension to figure how road bump forces get transferred to the bike.
I have created a free body diagram of the system and also attached a pdf. If you need the original powerpoint in case there are mistakes, just let me know and I can email it since its not one of the accepted formats on this forum.

Wheel%20Loads%20Spring%20Mass%20Diagram%20OF%20Suspension.jpg


The following are the equations of motion that I derived from my Free Body diagram. Since its been a few years since college, I am at a loss as how to proceede to solve for forces and velocities at different points in the diagram. I am looking for equations of force at points [tex]b, d[/tex] and [tex]e[/tex] a function of input velocity and displacement.

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

1. [tex]\sum FORCES_{a} = F_{R} + (b-a)K_{W} + (\dot{b}-\dot{a})C_{W} = 0[/tex]

2. [tex]\sum FORCES_{b} = F_{b} - \ddot{b}M_{W} + (a-b)K_{W} + (\dot{a}-\dot{b})C_{W} = 0[/tex]


3a. [tex]\sum FORCES_{c} = F_{b} + F_{c} + F_{d} = 0 \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ and \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ F_{c} = -\ddot{e}M_{X}[/tex]

3b. [tex]\sum MOMENTS_{c} = (cd)F_{d} - (bc)F_{b} = 0 \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ so \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ F_{d} = \frac{bc}{cd}F_{b} \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ and \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ F_{b} = \frac{cd}{bc}F_{d}[/tex]


4. [tex]\sum FORCES_{d} = F_{d} + (e-d)K_{X} + (\dot{e}-\dot{d})C_{X} = 0[/tex]

5. [tex]\sum FORCES_{e} = -\ddot{e}M_{X} - eK_{Y} + (d-e)K_{X} + (\dot{d}-\dot{e})C_{X} + F_{c}= 0 \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ and \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ F_{c} = -F_{b}-F_{d}[/tex]

Motion relationship of points [tex]b, c, and / d[/tex] on the lever.
[tex]b = \left(\frac{\ \overline{bc}\ }{\ \overline{cd}\ }+1\right) c \ - \ \frac{\ \overline{bc}\ }{\ \overline{cd}\ }d \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ and \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ e = c \ \ \ \ \ point \ \ c \ \ and \ point \ \ e \ \ are \ linked \ and \ move \ the \ same \ amount.[/tex]
 

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I managed to combine equations 2 and 4 to get the following.


[tex] K_{W}a \ + \ C_{W}\dot{a} \ + \ R^{2}K_{X}e \ + \ R^{2}C_{X}\dot{e} \ = \ \left(K_{W} + R^{2}K_{X}\right)b \ \ + \ \left(C_{W} + R^{2}C_{X}\right)\dot{b} \ -\ M_{W}\ddot{b}[/tex]

To keep things simple, I substituted [tex]R[/tex] for the lever motion ratio. [tex]R = \frac{\ \overline{cd}\ }{\ \overline{bc}\ }[/tex]

Now how do I simplify it further?

Should I integrate to get forces...if yes, how do I integrate [tex]\ddot{b}[/tex]
Do I get [tex]\dot{b} + C[/tex] How do I get C?

From combining equations 2 and 4 & 5 I get the following.

[tex] M_{X}\ddot{e} \ + \ K_{Y}e \ - \ K_{W}a \ + \ C_{W}\dot{a} \ = M_{W}\ddot{b} \ - \ C_{W}\dot{b} \ - \ K_{W}b[/tex]
 
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Hmmm, it's actually much more complicated than that and you need to integrate the force over the amount of actual suspension-travel. Damping values in the dampers will change over this travel distance as the gas compresses and the dampers increase its resistance.

There are also harmonics from the mass of the bike, wheel, spring-rates, damping that causes the overall damping-value to be completely different for a 2nd bump of the exact same size and magnitude as the 1st. This will vary as a function of time.
 
Thank you, that's some very good points. I am trying to keep this as simple as possible and don't want to model a gas damper, just a regular coil spring with a constant damping coefficient damper.

What I'm trying to figure out is the reaction to a specific initial condition...lets say a 2 inch tall bump with a ramp up speed of 4 in/sec

What is confusing me is how to integrate with respect to bump height when the integrals are with respect to Time.

ANY SUGGESTIONS OF HOW I SHOULD PROCEED?

[tex]\int s = \int^{bump}_{0} s \ dt = \frac{s^2}{2}+C_{0}[/tex]

[tex]\int v = \int^{bump}_{0} \frac{ds}{dt} \ dt= s+C_{1}[/tex]

[tex]\int a = \int^{bump}_{0} \frac{dv}{dt} \ dt= v+C_{2}[/tex]

[tex]\int (v+C_{2}) = \int^{bump}_{0} \frac{ds}{dt} \ dt\ \ + \int^{bump}_{0} C_{2} \ dt = (s+C_{3}) +(C_{2}s+C_{4})[/tex]
 

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