Equivalence of alternative definitions of conservative vector fields and line integrals in different metric spaces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the equivalence of alternative definitions of conservative vector fields and line integrals, particularly in the context of different metric spaces, such as Euclidean and Minkowski metrics. Participants explore the implications of these definitions and the mathematical reasoning behind them.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the line integral of a vector field around a closed loop being zero implies that the line integral along a path is a function of the endpoints of the curve.
  • Others question how the condition of a zero closed-loop integral leads to the conclusion that the integral depends solely on the endpoints, seeking clarification on the relationship between these definitions.
  • One participant suggests applying Stokes' theorem to argue that if the closed-loop integral is zero, then the curl of the vector field must vanish, indicating that the vector field is the gradient of a scalar field.
  • There is a query regarding the demonstration that a vector field with a zero curl is necessarily a gradient field, indicating a need for further exploration of this concept.
  • Participants express curiosity about how line integrals would be modified when working with different metrics, specifically the Minkowski metric.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of conservative vector fields but express differing views on the implications and relationships between these definitions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions under which the equivalence holds.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential assumptions about the nature of vector fields and the applicability of Stokes' theorem in various contexts. The discussion does not resolve how the line integral is modified in non-Euclidean metrics.

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I have seen conservative vector fields being defined as satisfying either of the two following conditions:

  1. The line integral of the vector field around a closed loop is zero.
  2. The line integral of the vector field along a path is the function of the endpoints of the curve.
It is apparent to me how 2 implies 1 but what I cant understand is how 1 implies 2?

More specifically why is ∮F⃗ .d⃗ r =𝑓(𝑏)−𝑓(𝑎) for some scalar function f?

Why not something like f(a⃗ .b⃗ ) instead?

Additionally when we calculate a line integral we do it assuming a Euclidean metric. How would the line integral be modified while working with a different metric say the Minkowski metric?
 
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Falgun said:
  1. The line integral of the vector field around a closed loop is zero.
  2. The line integral of the vector field along a path is the function of the endpoints of the curve.
It is apparent to me how 2 implies 1 but what I cant understand is how 1 implies 2?
Apply Stokes theorem to the zero closed-loop integral and conclude that the curl of the vector-field must vanish, i.e., the vector must be the gradient of a scalar field, the integral of which depends only on the endpoints.
 
renormalize said:
Apply Stokes theorem to the zero closed-loop integral and conclude that the curl of the vector-field must vanish, i.e., the vector must be the gradient of a scalar field, the integral of which depends only on the endpoints.
How do we show that a vector field whose curl is zero is necessarily a gradient field?
 

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