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The discussion revolves around a challenging Olympiad math problem involving the evaluation of the inverse function of a complex polynomial. The original poster has struggled to find a solution despite multiple attempts and seeks assistance from the community. A contributor suggests factoring the denominator of the function, which leads to some simplifications, but does not provide a complete solution. An expert from France offers an insightful approach that approximates the value of the target expression, ultimately concluding that the inverse function evaluates to approximately 9/64. The thread highlights the collaborative effort to tackle difficult mathematical problems and the importance of sharing insights.
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Hi MHB,

The following problem has been a really vexing problem (for me) because I believe there would be a tricky way of approaching it but I could not solve it after working with it on and off for two days, it is an Olympiad math competition problem, and so far no one that I know of has solved it.

I think the time has come to ask for help at MHB. If anyone has ideas to solve it, I would appreciate the help.

Problem:

Let $f(x)=(x^{256}+1)(x^{64}+1)(x^{16}+1)(x^{4}+1)(x+1)$ for $0<x<1$.

Evaluate $f^{-1}\left(\dfrac{8}{5f\left(\dfrac{3}{8}\right)}\right)$.

My futile attempt is based on the core concept of utilizing the formula $f^{-1}(f(x))=x$ where I got

$f(x)=\dfrac{x^{512}-1}{(x-1)(x^2+1)(x^8+1)(x^{32}+1)(x^{128}+1)}$ that leads to $\dfrac{1}{(1-x)f(x)}=\dfrac{(x^2+1)(x^8+1)(x^{32}+1)(x^{128}+1)}{1-x^{512}}$, unfortunately all of these did not help to shed any insight for me to proceed.
 
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anemone said:
...that leads to $\dfrac{1}{(1-x)f(x)}=\dfrac{(x^2+1)(x^8+1)(x^{32}+1)(x^{128}+1)}{1-x^{512}}$, unfortunately all of these did not help to shed any insight for me to proceed.

Good afternoon,

I don't know if this could be a step into the right direction, but you can factor the denominator into a lot of factors:

$$1-x^{512} = (x + 1)(1 - x)(x^2 + 1)(x^4 + 1)(x^8 + 1)(x^{16} + 1)(x^{32} + 1)(x^{64} + 1)(x^{128} + 1)(x^{256} + 1)$$

Now cancel as much factors as possible.
 
earboth said:
Good afternoon,

I don't know if this could be a step into the right direction, but you can factor the denominator into a lot of factors:

$$1-x^{512} = (x + 1)(1 - x)(x^2 + 1)(x^4 + 1)(x^8 + 1)(x^{16} + 1)(x^{32} + 1)(x^{64} + 1)(x^{128} + 1)(x^{256} + 1)$$

Now cancel as much factors as possible.

Hi earboth!

Thank you for the reply...but even after cancelling out the common factors, I could not see what I could do further to evaluate target expression...:(

$\dfrac{1}{(1-x)f(x)}=\dfrac{1}{(x^2-1)(x^4+1)(x^{16}+1)(x^{64}+1)(x^{256}+1)}$
 
Someone from France, an expert of solving Olympiad Mathematics problems has offered me a great insight which I thought to share it with members at MHB. But I have to say it out loud here that his approach led to the approximate but not exact value of $f^{-1}\left(\dfrac{8}{5f\left(\dfrac{3}{8}\right)}\right)$.

He mentioned about since $f(x)=(x^{256}+1)(x^{64}+1)(x^{16}+1)(x^{4}+1)(x+1)$, then we have $f(x^2)=(x^{512}+1)(x^{128}+1)(x^{32}+1)(x^{8}+1)(x^2+1)$ and note that

$$(x+1)(x^2 + 1)(x^4 + 1)(x^8 + 1)(x^{16} + 1)(x^{32} + 1)(x^{64} + 1)(x^{128} + 1)(x^{256} + 1)(x^{512}+1)=\dfrac{(x^{2014}+1)}{(x-1)}$$

We then obtained $f(x)f(x^2)=\dfrac{(x^{2014}-1)}{(x-1)}=\dfrac{(1-x^{2014})}{(1-x)}$.

At $x=\dfrac{3}{8}$, $f\left(\dfrac{3}{8}\right)f\left(\dfrac{3}{8}\right)^2=\dfrac{1-\left(\dfrac{3}{8}\right)^{2014}}{1-\left(\dfrac{3}{8}\right)}\approx \dfrac{8}{5}$.

Therefore, $f\left(\dfrac{3}{8}\right)^2\approx \dfrac{8}{5f\left(\dfrac{3}{8}\right)}$ and hence $f^{-1}\left(\dfrac{8}{5f\left(\dfrac{3}{8}\right)}\right)\approx \dfrac{9}{64}$.
 
Here is a little puzzle from the book 100 Geometric Games by Pierre Berloquin. The side of a small square is one meter long and the side of a larger square one and a half meters long. One vertex of the large square is at the center of the small square. The side of the large square cuts two sides of the small square into one- third parts and two-thirds parts. What is the area where the squares overlap?

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