Evaluate the spherical coordinate integrals

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The discussion revolves around evaluating spherical coordinate integrals, specifically focusing on the integral \( DV_{22} \) defined in spherical coordinates. Participants explore the mathematical steps involved in the evaluation, including the integration limits and the functions being integrated.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the integral \( DV_{22} \) and seeks guidance on the next steps in its evaluation.
  • Another participant suggests that \( DV_{22} \) can be factored into two separate integrals, one involving \( \sin(\phi)\cos(\phi) \) and the other involving \( \rho^3 \), indicating that both integrals should be straightforward to compute.
  • Further calculations are shared, including the evaluation of the integral \( \int_0^2 \rho^3 \, d\rho \) resulting in \( 4 \), and the integral \( \int_0^{\pi/4} \sin(\phi)\cos(\phi) \, d\phi \) leading to \( 4 \) as well.
  • Participants discuss the evaluation process, with one participant introducing a substitution \( u = \sin(\phi) \) and deriving the differential \( du = \cos(\phi) \, d\phi \).
  • There is a suggestion to evaluate the integral from the inside out, leading to a formulation involving \( 8\pi \int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}/2} u \, du \).
  • Another participant questions the origin of the constant \( 4 \) and seeks clarification on the variable \( u \) used in the integration process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing preferences on the order of evaluation for the integrals, with some favoring an inside-out approach while others suggest alternative methods. There is no consensus on a single method or final answer, as various approaches are discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the steps of integration, and there are indications of missing assumptions or definitions regarding the evaluation process. The discussion remains exploratory, with multiple methods being considered.

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$\textsf{Evaluate the spherical coordinate integrals}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
DV_{22}&=\int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_{0}^{\pi/4}\int_{0}^{2}
\, (\rho \cos \phi) \rho^2 \sin \phi
\, d\rho \, d\phi \, d\theta \\
%&=\color{red}{abc}
\end{align*}
so then next ?
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
DV_{22}&=2\pi\int_{0}^{\pi/4}\int_{0}^{2}
\, (\rho \cos \phi) \rho^2 \sin \phi
\, d\rho \, d\phi \,
\end{align*}

no book answer:mad:
 
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[math]DV_{22}= 2\pi \left(\int_0^{\pi/4} sin(\phi)cos(\phi) d\phi\right)\left(\int_0^2 \rho^3 d\rho\right)[/math]

Both of those integrals should be easy.
 
Country Boy said:
[math]DV_{22}= 2\pi \left(\int_0^{\pi/4} sin(\phi)cos(\phi) d\phi\right)\left(\int_0^2 \rho^3 d\rho\right)[/math]

Both of those integrals should be easy.

are you suggesting multiplication

well here is some of it\begin{align*}
&\displaystyle\int_{0}^{2}\rho^3 \, dp
=\left[\frac{\rho^4}{4} \right]_{0}^{2}
=4
\end{align*}

\begin{align*}\displaystyle
&\int_0^{\pi/4} \sin(\phi)\cos(\phi) \, d\phi\\
=&\frac{1}{2}\int_0^{\pi/4}
2\sin(\phi)\cos(\phi)\, d\phi\\
=&\frac{1}{2}\int_0^{\pi/4}
\sin(2\phi)\, d\phi\\
=&\frac{1}{2}\biggr[2\cos(2\phi) \biggr]_0^{\pi/4}\\
=&4
\end{align*}
 
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karush said:
$\textsf{Evaluate the spherical coordinate integrals}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
DV_{22}&=\int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_{0}^{\pi/4}\int_{0}^{2}
\, (\rho \cos \phi) \rho^2 \sin \phi
\, d\rho \, d\phi \, d\theta \\
%&=\color{red}{abc}
\end{align*}
so then next ?
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
DV_{22}&=2\pi\int_{0}^{\pi/4}\int_{0}^{2}
\, (\rho \cos \phi) \rho^2 \sin \phi
\, d\rho \, d\phi \,
\end{align*}

no book answer:mad:

I would begin by writing:

$$I=\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{\Large\frac{\pi}{4}} \sin(\phi)\cos(\phi)\int_0^2 \rho^3\,d\rho\,d\phi\,d\theta$$

Next, work your way from the inside out:

$$I=4\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{\Large\frac{\pi}{4}} \sin(\phi)\cos(\phi)\,d\phi\,d\theta=4\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{\Large\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}} u\,du\,d\theta$$

$$I=\int_0^{2\pi}\,d\theta=2\pi$$
 
where does the $$4$$ come from?what is u ?
 
karush said:
where does the $$4$$ come from?

It came from the evaluation of the innermost integral.

karush said:
what is u ?

$$u=\sin(\phi)\implies du=\cos(\phi)\,d\phi$$
 
MarkFL said:
It came from the evaluation of the innermost integral.
$$u=\sin(\phi)\implies du=\cos(\phi)\,d\phi$$

so then we have

$$8\pi\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}/2} u\,du$$
 
karush said:
so then we have

$$8\pi\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}/2} u\,du$$

You could look at it that way, but I prefer to work from the inside out. :)
 
like this?

$$

\begin{align*}\displaystyle &4\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{\Large\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}} u\,du\,d\theta\\
=&4\int_0^{2\pi}
\left[\frac{u^2}{2} \right]_0^{\sqrt{2}/2}
d\theta
\end{align*}$$
 

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