Evaluating 2D Delta Function Integral - Any Help Appreciated

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of a two-dimensional integral involving a delta function, specifically the integral $$ \int_{-\infty}^\infty \int_{-\infty}^\infty \delta(k_1 x-k_2y)\,dx\,dy$$. Participants explore the mathematical properties and implications of this integral, with a focus on its convergence and the interpretation of the delta function in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to evaluate the given 2D integral involving the delta function.
  • One participant suggests that the integral diverges and proposes using the "sampling" property of the delta function for evaluation.
  • Another participant agrees with the divergence claim and provides a mathematical derivation showing that the integral leads to an undefined result.
  • There is a discussion about the symbolic representation of the delta function and its implications in mathematical treatments, with references to applied mathematics literature.
  • Some participants note that while the integral is mathematically undefined, it is commonly used in engineering and scientific contexts, leading to potential confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the integral diverges and is mathematically undefined. However, there is a lack of consensus on the implications of using the delta function in this context and how to interpret its symbolic representation.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of the delta function and the assumptions made regarding its properties in the context of integrals. The discussion does not resolve the nuances of these interpretations.

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I am quite new here, and was wondering if anybody knows how this 2D integral is evaluated.
$$ \int_{-\infty}^\infty \int_{-\infty}^\infty \delta(k_1 x-k_2y)\,dx\,dy$$Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
 
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junt said:
I am quite new here, and was wondering if anybody knows how this 2D integral is evaluated.
$ \int_{-\infty}^\infty \int_{-\infty}^\infty \delta(k_1 x-k_2y)\,dx\,dy$

Use "##" (without quotes) before your expression and after that, in order for the integral to display correctly.
 
You can also use "$$". The hashtags gives an inline LaTeX and the dollar signs gives non inline LaTeX. I have edited the post
 
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junt said:
...and was wondering if anybody knows how this 2D integral is evaluated.

What do you know about delta function so far?
 
junt said:
I am quite new here, and was wondering if anybody knows how this 2D integral is evaluated.
$$ \int_{-\infty}^\infty \int_{-\infty}^\infty \delta(k_1 x-k_2y)\,dx\,dy$$
I think that integral diverges. You can evaluate the inside integral using the "sampling" property of the Delta function. Then you integrate that, and I don't think it converges.
 
junt said:
I am quite new here, and was wondering if anybody knows how this 2D integral is evaluated.
$$ \int_{-\infty}^\infty \int_{-\infty}^\infty \delta(k_1 x-k_2y)\,dx\,dy$$Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Mathematically, an integral such as this is undefined. You can't work with the delta function like this.
 
Dale said:
I think that integral diverges. You can evaluate the inside integral using the "sampling" property of the Delta function. Then you integrate that, and I don't think it converges.

I Agree. For ##k_1 \neq 0## we have,
$$ \begin{eqnarray}
\int_{-\infty}^\infty \int_{-\infty}^\infty \delta(k_1 x - k_2 y) dx \, dy & = & \frac{1}{|k_1|}\int_{-\infty}^\infty \int_{-\infty}^\infty \delta(x - k_2 y/k_1) dx \, dy \\
& = & \frac{1}{|k_1|}\int_{-\infty}^\infty dy
\end{eqnarray} $$
which diverges.

micromass said:
Mathematically, an integral such as this is undefined. You can't work with the delta function like this.
Even some applied math treatments (eg. L. Schwartz's "mathematics for the physical sciences") echo you point, and even frown on writing the delta distribution with an argument, such as ##\delta(x)##. However, most engineers and scientists write expressions like ##\delta(x)## or integrals with delta function integrands, and whether or not they realize it, these expressions are basically symbolic representations. One just needs to learn how the symbology works. In the above, the integral over ##x## can be viewed as the convolution of the delta function and the test-function ##1##, which results in a constant. The second integral is then the integral of that constant over the real line, which diverges. As an engineer it doesn't bother me ... but I realize that some confusion and wrong results can probably be traced back to the integral notation. Just my 2 cents

Jason
 

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