Evaluating Flux Integrals: Plane x+y+z=1

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a flux integral over a specified region of the plane defined by the equation x+y+z=1, particularly in the first octant. The vector field involved is G = -y - z - x.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the computation of the flux integral, discussing the normal vector and its normalization. There are attempts to simplify the integral without parametrization, and questions arise regarding the area of the region and the coordinates of the vector field G.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided various insights into the area calculation and the implications for the flux value. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions regarding the vector field and its components, with some participants expressing confusion about the original question.

Contextual Notes

There are references to specific geometric properties of the region, such as the area of an equilateral triangle, and discussions about the orientation of the plane and the implications for the flux calculation. Some assumptions about the vector field's coordinates are being questioned.

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Directly compute the flux integral [tex]\int\int(G*n dS)[/tex] where D is the part of the plane x+y+z=1 in the first octant, oriented upwards.

G = -y-z-x

My attempt at solution:

normal vector, normalized, is [tex]1/sqrt(3) * (1,1,1)[/tex] and since z=1-y-x, the integral simplifies to

[tex]1/sqrt(3)*\int\int(-1 dS)[/tex]

How do I evaluate this, without parametrization of the plane?
 
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Hi mathman44! :smile:

(have a square-root: √ and an integral: ∫ :wink:)

∫∫ dS is the area, so you need the area of an equilateral triangle of side … ? :smile:
 
Doh!

Of side √2. Meaning the area is 1, and the flux is -1/√3... is that okay?
 
mathman44 said:
Doh!

Of side √2. Meaning the area is 1 …

sin60º ≠ 1 :redface:
 
Ha, oops... so area is √3/2 and the flux is then -1/2.
 
mathman44 said:
Ha, oops... so area is √3/2

Yup! :biggrin:
and the flux is then -1/2.

ah … now I didn't actually understand the original question :redface:

G is presumably a vector, but what are its coordinates? :confused:
 
G is -y(i) - z(j) - x(k)

so G dotted with n

= 1/√(3)*(1,1,1) * G = 1/√(3) * (-y-z-x)

But because x+y+z=1, z=1-x-y and so -y-z-x = -1, becoming:
1/√(3) * (-y-z-x) = 1/√(3) * (-1)

So then flux should be -1/√3 * dS, which is -1/√3 * √3/2 = -1/2
 
mathman44 said:
G is -y(i) - z(j) - x(k)

ah! all is now clear! :smile:

Yes, -1/2 looks good. :wink:
 

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