Does the limit exist for a function that oscillates between 2 and -2?

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In summary, the conversation is discussing how to evaluate the limit of a function that oscillates between 2 and -2 when x approaches 0. The speaker suggests using the sequential criterion for limits to prove that the limit does not exist, and gives an example of two sequences that would work in this case. The other person asks for a simpler explanation, to which the speaker responds by explaining that for a limit to exist, all sequences approaching the limit must give the same value. They give an example using rational and irrational numbers to show that the limit in this case does not exist.
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Homework Statement


Evaluate the following limit
lim x->0 f(x) = 2, x rational, -2, x irrational

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I tried to draw the graph of this question but couldn't. Do you think I have a function that oscillates between 2 and -2 violently?
My best guess is that the limit doesn't exist but I want to have better explanation than mine.
 
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That looks like a slightly modified Dirichlet function to me. Between any 2 rational numbers is there an irrational number? And between any irrational number is there a rational number?

Also, what is this limit to? Limit as x goes to what?
 
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my apology. x->0.
There's no irrational number between 2 rational numbers. Vice versa no?
 
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er...

Does your last statement make sense?

Between 1 and 2 is there an irrational number?
 
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When you suspect that a limit does not exist, you can make use of the sequential criterion for limits. The criterion loosely states a limit [itex]\lim_{x→c}f(x)=L[/itex] exists if and only if for every sequence [itex](x_n)[/itex] that converges to [itex]c[/itex] it follows that [itex]\lim_{n→∞}f(x_n)=L[/itex].

So if you want to prove that the limit does not exist you can do so by showing that there exist two sequences [itex](x_n)[/itex] and [itex](y_n)[/itex] that converge to [itex]c[/itex] and satisfy [itex]\lim_{n→∞}f(x_n)\neq \lim_{n→∞}f(y_n)[/itex].

Does this make sense to you? Can you construct two sequences that would work in your case?
 
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Sorry. Could you explain it easier?
 
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For a limit to exist, every time we make a sequence approach 0, the corresponding function values must approach the same number.

For example:

If I choose a sequence of rational numbers: 1,1/2,1/4,...

We get: f(1),f(1/2),f(1/4),...

So we get 2,2,2,... and this approaches 2.

However, if we look at e,e/2,e/4,...

We get: f(e),f(e/2),f(e/4),...

So we get -2,-2,-2,... and we get -2.

Since these are two different values, the limit does not exist.
 

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