Evaluating S x^5 / [rt(x^2-ax)]dx

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the indefinite integral of the function (x^5) / [square root of (x^2 - ax)]. Participants explore various substitution methods and transformations to simplify the integral.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to rewrite the integral using a substitution and expresses difficulty in evaluating the resulting form. Other participants suggest completing the square and consider trigonometric substitutions, questioning the effectiveness of these methods.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with different approaches, including algebraic manipulation and trigonometric identities. Some hints and insights have been shared, but there is no explicit consensus on a clear path forward.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the complexity of the integral and the potential need for advanced techniques, such as trigonometric substitutions, while acknowledging the challenges posed by the odd powers of trigonometric functions.

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Homework Statement



Is there a simple way to evaluate

S x^5 / [rt(x^2-ax)] dx ?

That is, the indefinite integral of (x^5) / [square root of (x^2-ax)].

The Attempt at a Solution



My idea was to rewrite it as x^(9/2) / [rt(x-a)] and then do the substitution u = rt(x-a).
Then you get

S 2(u^2+a)^(9/2) du

But this too is difficult to evaluate.
 
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Welcome to PF!

Howsertal said:
∫ x^5 /√(x² - ax) dx ?

Hi Howsertal! Welcome to PF! :smile:

Hint: it's always worth trying completing the square … that is, putting (x² - ax) in the form ((x-b)² - c). :smile:
 
Hmm okay, so that puts it in the form

∫ x^5 / √[(x-(a/2))² - (a²/4)] dx

One possible substitution seems to be u = x-(a/2) but that puts it in the form

∫(u+(a/2))^5 / [u²-(a/2)²] du = ∫ (u+(a/2))^(9/2)) / [u-(a/2)] du

which doesn't seem a lot better than what we started with. A trig substitution of the form
[x-(a/2)] = (a/2)secψ in the first integral above would yield

∫ [(((a/2)secψ) + (a/2))^5)/tanψ] secψtanψ d ψ

= ∫ (((a/2)secψ +(a/2))^5 secψ d ψ

which doesn't seem to yield easily either =/. Those are the only obvious substitutions I can think of. Is there a trick to this or am I just not seeing something? Thanks a lot for your help (btw having the list of symbols in your sig is a great idea!)
 
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secant= 1/cosine. And odd powers of trig functions are relative easy to integrate.
 
Hi Howsertal! :smile:
Howsertal said:
∫ ((secψ +(a/2))^5 secψ d ψ

Looks ok to me … :smile:

Hint: what is (d/dψ)(sec^{n}ψ tanψ)?

(yes … I tried to get them to put the symbols on the Reply page … but this is almost as good … and I only use the signature if I need it! :biggrin:)
 
Do you mean that we can get

∫ (((a/2)secψ +(a/2))^5 secψ d ψ

into an expression just involving odd powers of trig functions?
 
Tiny-tim,

That derivative came out to
[sec^{n+2}ψ](1+n) - nsec^{n}ψ

which seems like it could be helpful but I'm not sure how. Sorry if I seem really dense.

:frown:
 
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Hi Howsertal! :smile:

Well, you want to integrate (secψ +(a/2))^5 secψ, which is powers of secψ up to the sixth, and you now know that:

∫((n+1)sec^{n+2}ψ - nsec^{n}ψ) dψ = sec^{n}ψ tanψ :smile:
 
Ah i see, thank you very much. So that's a nifty way of getting expressions for all the integrals of powers of secant recursively.
 
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