Even & Odd Functions: Determining Which Type of Function It Is

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The discussion revolves around determining whether a function is even or odd, particularly in the context of a homework problem involving the integral of xsin(ax). Participants explore methods for identifying the type of function based on its equation and graph, as well as discussing the implications of even and odd functions in various mathematical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the definitions of even and odd functions: f(-t) = f(t) for even and f(-t) = -f(t) for odd.
  • Another suggests that if a graph is available, one can visually determine the function's type by evaluating points on either side of the axis.
  • Examples are provided to illustrate how to determine if specific functions are even or odd by substituting -x into the function.
  • Some participants note that the presence of a graph can lead to misconceptions, as not all functions that pass through the origin are odd.
  • It is mentioned that most functions are neither entirely even nor odd, and they can be decomposed into even and odd parts.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between even/odd functions and Fourier transforms, indicating that the even part contributes to the real part and the odd part contributes to the imaginary part.
  • Another method for decomposing functions into even and odd parts is presented without using Fourier transforms.
  • A participant raises the connection between even/odd functions and Taylor polynomials, using cos(x) as an example of an even function.
  • There is a discussion about the fundamental definitions of even and odd functions and how they relate to Taylor series expansions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of a function passing through the origin, with some asserting that this does not necessarily indicate whether a function is odd or even. There is no consensus on the best approach to determining the nature of functions, as various methods and interpretations are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that the definitions and properties of even and odd functions can lead to complex discussions, particularly when considering functions that are neither. The relationship between these properties and Fourier transforms, as well as Taylor series, introduces additional layers of complexity that are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Hey guys,
I'm studying for my sigs and coms exam and I am having trouble with determining whether a function is even or odd.
I understand that an even function satisfies f(-t) = f(t) and an odd function satisfies f(-t) = -f(t) Can I determine whether this function is even or odd by looking at it?

Homework Equations


{=integral

{ xsin(ax) dx

The Attempt at a Solution


I know I substitute x with -x but what do I do from there?
 
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Maybe I'm not reading your question right, but you said that you understand that a function is even when f(-t) = f(t), and odd when f(-t) = -f(t).

If you have a graph of it, you should be able to tell whether the function is odd or even just by looking at the graph and taking t and -t. If all you're given is an equation, then choose a value that you can easily evaluate and see what happens on the other side of the axis.

Or are you referring to the equation on #2?

[tex]f(x) = \int xsin(ax)[/tex]

I think that's what you meant on #2 anyway.
 
duckless said:
I know I substitute x with -x but what do I do from there?

You try to either eliminate the "-" signs, or try to bring them outside the expression.

Example #1:

f(x) = x2
so
f(-x) = (-x)2
= x2 (eliminating the "-")​
= f(x)​
so this is an even function

Example #2:

f(x) = x3
so
f(-x) = (-x)3
= -(x3) (bringing the "-" outside the expression)​
= -f(x)​
so this is an odd function

p.s. Welcome to PF :smile:
 
Thanks for the replies guys and the warm welcome! I think I figured it out. Yes we're given a diagram and I realized when the wave goes through the origin the function is odd and otherwise its even. I think!
 
duckless said:
Thanks for the replies guys and the warm welcome! I think I figured it out. Yes we're given a diagram and I realized when the wave goes through the origin the function is odd and otherwise its even. I think!
That's not necessarily true. f(x^2) is an even function and f(x) is an odd function, but they both go through the origin. Since you're given the graph, take any value of x (besides the origin) in that graph and see where the function is, now look over to -x and see if you get the same value (even), or the opposite (odd).

Edit: Or, you could imagine folding the the graph along the y-axis and see if the function lines up. If it does, then it's an even function. If not, then it's mostly an odd function. You could check if it's an odd function by "folding" the graph along the function y = x
 
duckless said:
Thanks for the replies guys and the warm welcome! I think I figured it out. Yes we're given a diagram and I realized when the wave goes through the origin the function is odd and otherwise its even. I think!
That's not correct, as noted above. In fact the vast majority of functions you will deal with are neither odd nor even.
 
As noted by Defennder, most functions are neither entirely even nor odd. Every function can be broken down into two parts, and even part and an odd part.

If you take the (complex) Fourier transform of a function (when it exists), the real part of the transform will result from the even part of the function and the odd part of the function will give rise to the imaginary part of the transform.

If you do a Fourier expansion of the function, the cosine terms (and the constant term) are the result of the even part of the function and the sine terms are the result of the odd part of the function.
 
You can also decompose a function into odd and even parts without using Fourier transforms:

fodd(x) = ½[f(x) - f(-x)]

feven(x) = ½[f(x) + f(-x)]
 
Yes, Redbelly98, is most certainly correct about this simple decomposition into even and odd parts.
 
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Doesn't the even and oddity of a function also have to do with the Taylor Polynomial? For instance, cos(x) is even because the first term (f(0)) is 1, the second term f ' (0) = 0, f ''(0) = -1, so it's Taylor is 1-x^2/2!+x^4/4! ??
 
  • #11
This could become a chicken and egg thing, but the fundamental definitions of even and odd are those that were given in the first entry above by duckless. Everything else really follows from that, and it is probably best to stick with those simple expressions as the definitions, and then accept the rest as consequences.

A Taylor series that contains only even powers will rather obviously produce an even function (such as the cosine), and one that contains only odd powers will produce an odd function. This is a consequence of the fact that, term by term, these functions are either even or odd, and therefore their sums are still even or odd.
 

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