Evidence for Inverse Square Law at Extremely Large Distance?

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The discussion revolves around the evidence for the validity of the inverse square law of the Coulomb force at extremely large distances, particularly in the context of spherical charge distributions. Participants explore the potential for deviations from the law and the implications for interactions across vast cosmic scales.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the Coulomb force remains nonzero at very large distances and suggests the possibility of an undetected correction that could cause the force to reach zero at a finite distance.
  • Another participant cites evidence from galactic magnetic fields, indicating no deviations from predictions, suggesting that Coulomb's Law holds at least up to 10 kpc.
  • A later reply provides an upper limit on any potential violation of Coulomb's law, noting that anything larger than this limit should be detectable by modern experiments, while acknowledging the assumption of a smooth modification to the inverse square law.
  • One participant expresses interest in the empirical lower bounds on the spatial extent of a charge's influence, referencing the need for evidence that particles can interact across the universe as suggested by the inverse square law.
  • Another participant argues that while evidence via static fields is limited, dynamic fields provide strong evidence, as demonstrated by the observation of electromagnetic radiation from over 13 billion years ago.
  • One participant emphasizes the significant range between laboratory experiments and the size of the visible universe, asserting that classical electromagnetism is a good description over a substantial portion of that range.
  • Another participant notes the challenges of extending observations further due to the diminishing electric and magnetic fields in deep space, suggesting that alternative theories yield similar results to the standard model.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent to which the inverse square law holds at large distances, with some providing evidence for its validity while others raise questions about potential deviations and the nature of interactions across cosmic scales. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the confidence in the force being finite at arbitrarily large distances.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in empirical evidence for static fields and the challenges of detecting deviations in deep space due to weak electric and magnetic fields. There is an acknowledgment of the assumptions made regarding the nature of any potential violations of Coulomb's law.

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This is just an oddball question that's been rattling around in my head. What evidence do we have that the Coulomb force of, say, a spherical charge distribution Q, is actually nonzero at very large distances? I can easily imagine that the inverse square law is very accurate out to some incredible distance, but maybe has an as-yet-undetected correction that causes the force to actually hit zero at some finite distance.

It seems likely that if this distance were large enough, we wouldn't be able to detect any deviation, but have we managed to put any empirical lower bounds on the distance over which the inverse square law holds? I imagine that changing the inverse square law would affect the propagation of light, so does the light from distant galaxies rule this out on the scale of the observable universe?
 
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The best evidence we have is from galactic magnetic fields, which don't show a deviation from predictions. That says that ordinary E&M, which includes Coulomb's Law, is good to at least 10 kpc.
 
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Opus_723 said:
It seems likely that if this distance were large enough, we wouldn't be able to detect any deviation, but have we managed to put any empirical lower bounds on the distance over which the inverse square law holds?

Well, the following link puts an upper limit on any violation of Coulomb's law as (2.7 ±3.1)x 10-16: http://staff.ustc.edu.cn/~bjye/em/TEST-KL.pdf
Note that this is an upper limit, as anything larger than this should be detectable by modern experiments. No lower limit would really exist. This also assumes that any violation of Coulomb's law is a smooth, continuous modification to the inverse square law. I suppose it's always possible that a violation could manifest as an abrupt change or discontinuity at larger distances, but if so, we'd have a very strange law indeed.
 
I was mostly interested in how confidently we can say that the force is finite (nonzero) at arbitrarily large distances. I understand that we have quite strong upper limits on any deviation from the inverse square law over laboratory distance scales. By a "lower bound", I meant an empirical lower bound on the spatial extent of a charge's influence. Vanadium's point about galactic magnetic fields is exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for.

It might be better to rephrase the question. What evidence do we have that particles can actually interact across the entire universe like the inverse square law suggests?
 
Opus_723 said:
It might be better to rephrase the question. What evidence do we have that particles can actually interact across the entire universe like the inverse square law suggests?

Via static fields, not very much, if any. Via dynamic fields we have extremely good evidence, as the fact that we can see EM radiation emitted more than 13 billion years ago suggests.
 
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Via static fields, not very much, if any.

I think the field can take more credit than that. There are something like 26 orders of magnitude between table-top experiments and the size of the visible universe. For 20 of them, we know that classical E&M is a good description of what's going on. I think that's pretty good.

Furthermore, the reason we can't go out farther using this technique is because in deep space the electric and magnetic fields are close to zero. (The magnetic fields are a trillion times smaller than the earth's) So we're in a situation where any reasonable alternative theory gives the same answer as the standard one.
 
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