Exactly what is theory all about?

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The discussion centers on the nature of theories and explanations, emphasizing that theories aim to provide understanding and predictions about information. An explanation is defined as a method that generates expectations from known information, allowing for predictions about unknown aspects. The conversation highlights the utility of theories in scenarios with incomplete knowledge, where they can offer insights that direct observations may not provide. Participants agree on the importance of refining theories based on their accuracy and the variables involved. The thread concludes with concerns about maintaining academic integrity and the challenges of speculative discussions in scientific forums.
  • #31
In my previous incarnation as "Erck"... I started the "What is nothing" thread.

So far it has over 8,000 views and 400 replies.

My point being that I took theory all the way back to beyond and before any theory in existence.

I did it for a very specifice reason.

I think I broke the rules by doing it.

I think Einstein broke the rules too.

(I'm not comparing myself)

Oh well.

(sometimes forums forget that crank posts can be easily overlooked by readers... they don't do any harm... trying to keep them from happening... can)
 
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  • #32
Response to a note!

This is in response to an e-mail message I received from chronos. I hope he will forgive me for posting my response. I feel the issues he brings up are exactly the issues most of the people here are having trouble with. In particular, the idea that I am presenting a theory which is the wrong perspective from the word go! I am presenting straight logical deduction only!

--- chronos wrote:

> Greetings again, Dick [pardon the informality]

There is nothing wrong with informality. Formality means following a prescribed procedure and using prescribed procedures implies lack of thought and we don't want to do that!

> The short and easy part of my 'bumps in the rug'
> deal with quantum physics.
> I pretty much understand and agree with your
> thoughts on relativity. I am,
> however, vaguely uncomfortable with the quantum
> physics implications.

First, I believe you are making a mistake in your understanding of what I am doing. You are presuming I am proposing a theory which I am not! What I am proposing is a more objective picture of what theories in general are talking about.

There are three very different aspects of quantum physics (or any science for that matter). First, there is the basis of the equations brought forth as the field of quantum physics. The route by which one arrives at these equations as rational representations of reality. Second, there is the interpretation of those equations. What the various terms represent and how one is to interpret the solutions of those equations. And finally, the actual solutions of the equations and comparison of those solutions to reality.[/color]

The second two are the central issue of the experiments. Given the interpretation of the relationships implied by the equations, one can solve the equations and check to see if consistency in interpretation agrees with reality. That operation is called an experiment.

My concern is almost entirely with the first aspect: the basis of the equations themselves. From my perspective, the experiments have already been done. If you want to understand the neatness of my attack, you must understand the standard foundations behind the quantum physics approach. This is hard to find in most texts.

The best reference I can come up with is Goldstein's "Classical Mechanics". If you follow the development of Hamilton's equations of motion through to Hamilton-Jacobi theory, the foundations of standard quantum mechanics become quite obvious. When I say the foundations are obvious, I mean that the fundamental equations come directly from sophisticated problem solution procedures of classical mechanics.

In glancing at the book, I have to quote Goldstein from the opening of the chapter on "The Hamilton Equations of Motion": "Nothing new is added to the physics involved; we simply gain another (and more powerful) method of working with the physical principles already established." :smile:

That is the issue of my work: "Nothing new is added to the physics involved (that is, other than removal of the conflict between general relativity and quantum mechanics); we simply gain another (and more powerful: i.e., the conflict referred to is gone) method of working with the physical principles already established".

When Maxwell came up with his equations, a new solution appeared which was not available from the known relationships available prior to his act. Just for the fun of it, think about what the situation would have been if experimentalists had already discovered the existence of the "change in \vec{E} produces \vec{B} phenomena" (that is the required effect to produce radiation) and established light as an electromagnetic phenomena. Would that have made Maxwell's equations a waste of time?

The reduction of a complex situation to a simple relationship is always of value. If you read Chapter II and on of my presentation, I show that most of the fundamental equations of modern physics are approximations to my equation under exactly the approximations used to obtain those results by the physics community. Either what I say is true or false. If it is false please show me where I have made my error. If it is true, my picture is certainly much simpler than the standard picture.

> elaborate and propose an experiment. I do that all
> the time. If I dare
> propose a weird idea, the burden of proof is on me
> to convince everyone else
> without a grant or shred of support

Now you want an experiment. Well there does happen to be one (barring a specific error in my deductions). My solution to the problem of General Relativity yields a slightly different solution for a spherically symmetric gravitational field. Einstein's solution differs from Newton's by deviating from an inverse square field by a factor proportional to \frac{2}{c^2} \phi. My solution has all the terms produced by Einstein's theory plus one more term. My solution differs from Einstein's by a deviation in apparent radial velocity proportional to that same factor. Now "apparent radial velocity" is not an easy thing to measure, not without a lot of assumptions anyway.

Now that means it will only be observable when the radial velocity is large and the radius is small; not an easy situation to see. However, a little algebra will show that the effect can be seen as an apparent non conservation of angular momentum in a Newtonian solution for a negligibly small field situation (negligible to the extent that the trajectory is approximately straight). I am thinking that the "frame dragging" experiment currently being performed might be capable of resolving that term.

I replied to your note here so others could see my answers to your excellent questions. I hope that doesn't bother you.

Have fun -- Dick
 
  • #33
JoeWade said:
i don't quite understand what's the point of having a theory development section at all if people can't start threads that are speculative and innovative.

thumbs down. I'll see you guys somewhere else i guess
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nor do i and i think this flies in the face of what the SPIRIT OF SCIENCE is about. I'm dissapointed in your attitude. on other sites i have been on if the theory is not valid or just plain too bizzare,it is ignored, it has happened to me and others, simply nobody gives comment on the subject.

yes you guys have your work cut out for you, but let the nature of the people who visit your site take its course, it will.

otherwise guys this site becomes a Galilaean Dark Ages site.after all it those who came before you,thinking the way they did that gave you what you know now.you take all that you know for granted and that to me is a critical mistake.

Newton,Einstein,Copernicus and all those that came before and after them have flied in the face of what at the time was known.even if you can't give an anwser to the questions put forward maybe someone else can and then perhaps we can ALL learn.sometimes it is quite a challenge but let the challenge motivate you not as it seems here strike fear in your understanding of things. to suppress people is NOT a good position to take.

let the people on your site the freedom to explore,fore after all THAT IS WHY THEIR HERE,to discuss theories that perhaps gets no opportunity to be seen by so many people and by these people give so many points of view wrong or right. it helps!,really!

i think your site here is more important than you guys give yourself credit for.

it can be if you let it, a place of Discovery!
 
  • #34
DrChinese said:
I would like to weigh in on the subject.
Your opinion is quite valuable to us.
Most of the threads are mindless exercises in denial of known phenomena.
This is the fundamental problem -- we have a small group of habitual theory development posters who really have nothing scientific to discuss, and we'd prefer that they use another venue for their communication. On the other hand, posts that even marginally adhere to the scientific method will be welcomed here. We don't want to stifle scientific thought, just pseudoscientific thought.

We're not censoring anywhere near as strictly as sci.physics.research, let alone a peer-reviewed journal. We're just trying to clean up some of the obvious non-scientific nonsense posted here, encourage habitual posters of that kind of material to find another place to post their ideas, and improve the average quality of posts here.

- Warren
 
  • #35
north said:
nor do i and i think this flies in the face of what the SPIRIT OF SCIENCE is about. I'm dissapointed in your attitude. on other sites i have been on if the theory is not valid or just plain too bizzare,it is ignored, it has happened to me and others, simply nobody gives comment on the subject.
Theories which are not valid or just plain too bizarre are no longer welcome here. I encourage you to post instead on one of the other sites you spoke of.
otherwise guys this site becomes a Galilaean Dark Ages site.
This is of course a classic crackpot argument -- science is only advanced by freethinkers like us! Of course, it's not actually true. Science has never been advanced by people who cannot form a dimensionally-correct equation, and it never will be. There is a huge difference between a dissenting scientist and a crackpot. Few crackpots realize the enormity of this difference.
Newton,Einstein,Copernicus and all those that came before and after them have flied in the face of what at the time was known.
And all of these people provided very clear reasons why they believed their models were better than the existing models. If someone comes on PF and provides a new model along with very strong evidence that it is better than existing models they will not be censored.
let the people on your site the freedom to explore,fore after all THAT IS WHY THEIR HERE,to discuss theories that perhaps gets no opportunity to be seen by so many people and by these people give so many points of view wrong or right. it helps!,really!
The vast majority of regular posters are not here to discuss the personal theories of crackpots. This site is by and large a science education site, where those who are already well along in their study can help those who are just beginning. Most of our regular posters feel our theory development subforum has become a tremendous eyesore.
it can be if you let it, a place of Discovery!
It's not a place of discovery in the sense of what you think a place of discovery should be. You should find another forum to post on. I recommend two: the Usenet newsgroup sci.physics, and the forum www.sciforums.com.

- Warren
 
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  • #36
north said:
...Newton,Einstein,Copernicus and all those that came before and after them have flied in the face of what at the time was known.
Here's the main point: Each one of these (and also all the other great scientists) admit they owe a debt to their predecessors. In Newton's words, "If I have seen farther than others, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants". OTOH, a crackpot will show no respect for the authors of current theories, is not interested in rational debate, has no patience to learn about the theories, and by implication, considers himself smarter than all those who went before.

I agree with restrictions being placed on this forum. Reading eg. Andrew Grey's posts, and realizing there are physics students who don't have enough background to understand that they are sheer nonsense, makes my hair stand on end.
 
  • #37
north said:
Newton,Einstein,Copernicus and all those that came before and after them have flied in the face of what at the time was known.
[more on what krab said] This is a commonly cited justification of against-the-mainstream ideas/approaches (it appears several posts above as well). Trouble is, its flat-out wrong. For Einstein, people latch on to the fact that he was a patent cerk and assume that means he had no formal training or was considered a crank by the community. Nope: Einstein was a university-trained, accomplished physicist before he did his masterpiece. And his masterpiece, though revolutionary, was not considered crackpottery at the time (otherwise, it wouldn't have been accepted so fast). The physics community already knew there was a problem with the existing theory before Einstein proposed the solution.

Newton and Copernicus are a different story: since science was in its infancy when they did their work, there really wasn't a "mainstream" view to go against. Just the religious views of the church as explained by Aristotle. In that quote, Newton was probably referring to guys like Brahe and Kepler, who may not have come up with the theory of gravity, but did a lot of the observation and laid a lot of the groundwork. But both most certainly were real scientists - and their peers knew it.

Citing real scientists who did real science in an attempt to justify an unscientific approach is a pretty big logical fallacy.
 
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  • #38
krab said:
Here's the main point: Each one of these (and also all the other great scientists) admit they owe a debt to their predecessors. In Newton's words, "If I have seen farther than others, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants". OTOH, a crackpot will show no respect for the authors of current theories, is not interested in rational debate, has no patience to learn about the theories, and by implication, considers himself smarter than all those who went before.
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and yet for those who have,respect those who have gone before, and still question and is beyond your understanding then what? and i doubt they consider themselves "smarter" rather they just questioning what is known. besides smarter is to me a question of knowledge. and yet depth of thought is beyond smart. and maybe they have a deeper understanding than their predecessors and there rational is beyond your understanding,therefore you have no inclining of what they are talking about,after all only a hand full of people had any understanding at first of what Einstein was trying to put forth.and this took time and experiments.
 
  • #39
Einstein's theories were actually well received. No one really disputed special relativity when he first published it.

Once again, you're just trying to distort history to somehow make it seem like our little crackpot contingent here (who can't even assemble a dimensionally-correct equation) could potentially harbor the next Einstein. You're also implying that our suggestion that these people go elsewhere is somehow going to prevent them from becoming the scientific luminaries they are meant to become.

Give it up.

- Warren
 
  • #40
I'm curious what the moderators/admin here think about the work/ideas of the mavericks/crackpots who actually were denounced/silenced/ignored but who essentially built the scientific/technological/philisophical foundations of modern civilization- geniusus who represent some of the greatest minds of the modern/post-modern age-

such as Nikola Tesla [his later work in ultra-frequency electromagnetism] Wilhelm Reich [who's work was burned and who died in prison as a heretic in 1950s "free" America]/ David Bohm/ Stanislav Grof/ Timothy Leary/ Dean Radin [OK he's pretty 'out there']/ Bucky Fuller/ James Lovelock/ Freeman Dyson/ Christopher Langton/ or Marvin Minsky?

or even Sir Martin Rees and his notions of the Universe being mostly artificial?


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  • #41
North, since you have explicitly stated in the past that you refuse to learn existing theories, you really have no room to claim you respect the people who wrote those theories. If you did respect them, you'd give them their due consideration: if you give them their due consideration, you'll have earned yours.
 
  • #42
chroot said:
Einstein's theories were actually well received. No one really disputed special relativity when he first published it.

Once again, you're just trying to distort history to somehow make it seem like our little crackpot contingent here (who can't even assemble a dimensionally-correct equation) could potentially harbor the next Einstein. You're also implying that our suggestion that these people go elsewhere is somehow going to prevent them from becoming the scientific luminaries they are meant to become.

Give it up.

- Warren
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i'm not liking to to idea that they go else where necessarily.just let nature(people) takes its course.i find that perhaps you think that it necessary to answer to all theories that come on board.why not just ignore those that you find either ridiculous or absured and see what happens,i mean there are times when theories are put forth that the mentors have no interest,so don't respond.others on the board will but so what,just sit back and let it take its course,this is no insult to your site,not to me anyway.

i don't know I'm easy going, the universe and all that's in it is at times ... well challenging to say the least.
 
  • #43
russ_watters said:
North, since you have explicitly stated in the past that you refuse to learn existing theories, you really have no room to claim you respect the people who wrote those theories. If you did respect them, you'd give them their due consideration: if you give them their due consideration, you'll have earned yours.
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but i did,did i not Russ, i quoted you from the "STATES OF MATTER" but you seem to ignore the quoted statement(so you think David is a crackpot? justify) and also did i not state that I'm not saying the theory(present) was wrong but that i thought we could ADD to it.

is this not true??
 
  • #44
north said:
after all only a hand full of people had any understanding at first of what Einstein was trying to put forth.

That's completely rediculous.

His studies in quantum photonics were not overly complicated. They suggested interesting new ideas, but could be repeated anywhere. They are regularly repeated in sophmore and junior physics labs.

Special relativity walked straight from the Lorentz transformation equations. It is suprisingly simple compared with other sciences of the time. The tests it suggested that could be done were, and they were successful. Doing problems in SR can be a headache if you aren't careful because it is easy to make little errors. This hardly makes it above those minds of the time. I wouldn't say SR is more difficult than an in depth course in statistical dynamics.

Your statement above shows a lack of knowledge both about history and about Einstein's theories.
 
  • #45
north said:
i'm not liking to to idea that they go else where necessarily.just let nature(people) takes its course.
Well, you don't run the place.
just sit back and let it take its course,this is no insult to your site,not to me anyway.
A forum like this one establishes credibility by doing precisely the opposite of this suggestion. There are many, many other places on the web you can go to speak about anything you want without any form of supervision. Most people stay here because they got fed up with those places.

To make an analogy, consider a classroom. Obviously no one would get anything out of the discussion if anyone could just stand up at any time and say anything he/she felt like saying. Most social situations like classrooms, courtrooms and boardrooms have protocols and rules to keep things running smoothly. This social situation, physicsforums.com, has similar protocols and rules.

If you don't agree with them, you might as well go elsewhere.

- Warren
 
  • #46
On an entirely different note...

I already miss Yesicanread. Trolling him was endless entertainment :cry:
 
  • #47
To make an analogy, consider a classroom. Obviously no one would get anything out of the discussion if anyone could just stand up at any time and say anything he/she felt like saying.
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true,but is that not the spirit or ecessence of the "theory forum" to let people spout off ideas.because just talking about them helps to find where they went wrong or that they are on the right track.
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Most social situations like classrooms, courtrooms and boardrooms have protocols and rules to keep things running smoothly. This social situation, physicsforums.com, has similar protocols and rules.

If you don't agree with them, you might as well go elsewhere.
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but it is running smoothly.sometimes different but that is an inherent result of "theory delevopment" that is its nature to be at times challenging,if not unorthodox.

i mean look at how many questions and theories there are on your site,does this not show many people are thinking? this is a good thing.
 
  • #48
north said:
but it is running smoothly.

It most certainly was not running smoothly prior to the policy change. The Theory Development Forum required more attention from the staff than all the other Forums combined. It was becoming overrun with crackpots with agendas to push, and those crackpots require answering from dedicated, knowledgeable volunteers. More often than not, those volunteers come from the staff. We are tired of it, and now it is over.
 
  • #49
Tom Mattson said:
It most certainly was not running smoothly prior to the policy change. The Theory Development Forum required more attention from the staff than all the other Forums combined. It was becoming overrun with crackpots with agendas to push, and those crackpots require answering from dedicated, knowledgeable volunteers. More often than not, those volunteers come from the staff. We are tired of it, and now it is over.
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yes it is so it seems,shame really! crackpots don't really need answering, therefore instead of answering they should have been ignored, would have saved you a lot time.and let the people hash it out!
 
  • #50
north,

We don't want to be the sort of environment where crackpots "hash it out."

- Warren
 
  • #51
chroot said:
A forum like this one establishes credibility by doing precisely the opposite of this suggestion. There are many, many other places on the web you can go to speak about anything you want without any form of supervision. Most people stay here because they got fed up with those places.

In my opinion, this is a great aspect of the forum - its moderators. I really appreciate the time commitment each of you (moderators) make. Certainly there are places to go where it is a free-for-all, and that is why I come here instead. People are civil (through constant monitoring, I know), and the discussions are more focused. Why, a person could actually LEARN a thing or two...

I especially like the fact that threads are moved to Theory Development when they get too weird... at least the reader knows to beware over here. Regardless of what direction you choose to go in, I will know that careful consideration has been given to making this a better place to come.

-DrChinese
 
  • #52
crackpots don't really need answering, therefore instead of answering they should have been ignored
If crackpots don't need answering, why do you think myself, and many of the moderators, have put our energy into it? Apologizing for the bad memories this will evoke to Tom, do you remember the days of the great SR debates with ram1024 and geistkiesel, when the moderators had to keep up with a veritable barrage of anti-SR posts? If we are to keep the image of the site as a place where people can get competent answers to their physics questions, we have no choice but to defend proper physics from those that would push their own agendas. Since reasoned debate is impossible once crackpots make up their minds, the only solution is to constantly refute their attacks. Otherwise, innocent wide-eyed physics newbies can stumble here and get the impression that each of the TD "theories" is as valid as the next one. The choices are either sacrifice our reputation to allow the cranks to post, or make it clear that pseudoscientific rambling has no place here. There's plenty of Yahoo forums out there that never claim any scientific credibility; they would be perfect for our recently departed friends.
 
  • #53
north said:
yes it is so it seems,shame really! crackpots don't really need answering, therefore instead of answering they should have been ignored, would have saved you a lot time.

Of course crackpots need to be answered. We have students here, and if the garbage that gets posted in Theory Development goes unchecked and one of those students accepts it on good faith, they could end up failing exams. This is a scientific website, not a free-for-all.

and let the people hash it out!

That's exactly what we don't want. This website is to be an organized place of scholarship, not the floor of the New York Stock Exchange.
 
  • #54
chroot said:
north,

We don't want to be the sort of environment where crackpots "hash it out."

- Warren
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fair enough, i understand it can be tough to sort out different thoughts. it is your right to do what you think is best. i'll leave it at that,perhaps we can move on. i just wish that the strengh(responses) of interest of a particular subject would sway you to somehow change your mind. that's all I'm getting at.for there seems to be a greater interest in some subjects than others and i thought that you would reconsider your position.

north.
 
  • #55
north,

There are many usenet newsgroups and websites chock full of crackpot dialogue. There is no shortage of interest there either, and topics go on and on for hundreds of vitriolic posts. The simple fact that you don't seem to grasp is that we don't see that sort of interest as positive -- we see it as negative. We don't want our site to be like those others.

- Warren
 
  • #56
DOCTORDICK:
I do note that no "mentor" has chosen to respond

Kurious:

Theory development would certainly benefit if
these people with more knowledge of maths and physics than the average PF member
took more time to comment on threads in theory development or to start some threads of their own.
 
  • #57
chroot said:
north,

There are many usenet newsgroups and websites chock full of crackpot dialogue. There is no shortage of interest there either, and topics go on and on for hundreds of vitriolic posts. The simple fact that you don't seem to grasp is that we don't see that sort of interest as positive -- we see it as negative. We don't want our site to be like those others.

- Warren
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i can understand your position and neither would i to be honest.and i have been on sites where this has happened, but they are just ignored. therefore my perspective is different,i'm use to hearing things out to the end,regardless.

and i speaking for myself had not meant any vitriol comments that's not my nature.
 
  • #58
The subject of this thread seems to have changed.

Since my thread seems to have been hijacked and I no longer have any option of starting a new thread, I thought I would comment on some of the "mentors" comments. I recognize that they exist though they don't seem to accept my existence (at least I never receive a response from them).

chroot said:
We're just trying to clean up some of the obvious non-scientific nonsense posted here[/color], encourage habitual posters of that kind of material to find another place to post their ideas, and improve the average quality of posts here[/color].
Perhaps I am misinterpreting but as "russ_waters" has referred to my posts as "unscientific" (to someone else, not to me) and chroot has never answered any private messages from me, I can only assume that I am one of the posters he is referring to here. If that is the case, I would like at least some indicator as to why he believes my posts are nonsense.
chroot said:
There is a huge difference between a dissenting scientist and a crackpot. Few crackpots realize the enormity of this difference.
I would ask if you do, or are you saying that neither is welcome on your forum?
russ_waters said:
Einstein was a university-trained, accomplished physicist before he did his masterpiece. And his masterpiece, though revolutionary, was not considered crackpottery at the time.
I think, if you check the facts, you will find that Einstein managed a publication through the support of a friend. In addition, I remember being told that, at the time of his publication, fewer than four people in the world understood what he presented. And, by the way, I am a university-trained and accomplished physicist (that is the standard meaning of a Ph.D. degree).
chroot said:
To make an analogy, consider a classroom. Obviously no one would get anything out of the discussion if anyone could just stand up at any time and say anything he/she felt like saying. Most social situations like classrooms, courtrooms and boardrooms have protocols and rules to keep things running smoothly. This social situation, physicsforums.com, has similar protocols and rules.
I very much agree with this statement; however, in my humble judgment, very little thought has been put into the structure of those protocols and rules. I post on this forum because of the Latex interpretation, not because I think the protocols and rules were well thought out.
Tom Mattson said:
The Theory Development Forum required more attention from the staff than all the other Forums combined.
Yes! And that is exactly the reason for the mentor title "Nuts are us" for the forum. If you check the posts, you will find that 99% of the mentor posts were in opposition to what can only be called "Nut" posts (mot only that but the mentors posted over and over to the same nut threads). What this means is that you do actually needed a "Nuts are us" place to move these posts then the mentors need not reply unless asked by someone why they were moved (if you make a mistake, you could always move them back). To use "Theory Development" for this purpose implies a use of subterfuge to keep these nuts posting. They only reason you might want that would be to have inferiors to push around.
Tom Mattson said:
Of course crackpots need to be answered. We have students here, and if the garbage that gets posted in Theory Development goes unchecked and one of those students accepts it on good faith, they could end up failing exams. This is a scientific website, not a free-for-all.
What are you educating there? Idiot savants? Any college student of physics who accepts anything on good faith should[/color] end up failing his exams, to allow him to pass is too certify idiocy. The school should be teaching him how to think, not a catechism of "correct" answers! Now an argument over a half way decent piece of crackpot science is a valuable lesson to a good student; it makes him think a little.
kurious said:
Doctordick said:
I do note that no "mentor" has chosen to respond
Theory development would certainly benefit if these people with more knowledge of maths and physics than the average PF member took more time to comment on threads in theory development or to start some threads of their own.
Thank you for pointing that out; though I doubt any mentor will take notice of it.

Last but not least, is anyone here interested in discussing the thread I started?

Have fun -- Dick
 
  • #59
The powers that be have spoken and they have every right to do so. This was an interesting place to visit; maybe with the changes it will be even more so. As for crackpot ideas; I resemble that remark :smile: but I have no problem with keeping my ideas to myself.

I have sometimes wondered, what if a being from a place say 10,000 years more advanced than we were to suddenly find him or herself here and be questioned about the true nature of the universe. If they were not scientists, only avarage people but knew a smidgen of the science of the day, where would we put their replies. We would, of course IMHO, reject them out of hand and choose to remain ignorant.

But then, again, I could be wrong :smile:

Keep on chuggin !

Vern
 
  • #60
Doctordick said:
What are you educating there? Idiot savants? Any college student of physics who accepts anything on good faith should[/color] end up failing his exams, to allow him to pass is too certify idiocy. The school should be teaching him how to think, not a catechism of "correct" answers! Now an argument over a half way decent piece of crackpot science is a valuable lesson to a good student; it makes him think a little.

Last but not least, is anyone here interested in discussing the thread I started?

Have fun -- Dick

Yes, are the mentors and "anti-cranks" so totally unable to think for themselves that they can't even respond to Doctordick?

Are they afraid of exposing their own physics ignorance?

Are they :redface: ?

We[everyone] can always learn new things.
 

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