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The discussion revolves around the concept of geodesics as Hamiltonian flows, particularly in the context of classical mechanics and general relativity. Participants explore the relationship between momentum conservation, symmetry, and the motion of particles in curved spacetime, as well as the implications of these ideas for understanding geodesics.

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  • One participant notes that geodesics can be understood as the motion of particles not experiencing forces, linking this to Newton's first law and the Hamiltonian formulation of mechanics.
  • Another participant distinguishes between special and general relativity, stating that while momentum conservation is a result of translation symmetry in special relativity, this symmetry does not always hold in general relativity due to curved spacetime.
  • A different participant suggests that Hamilton's equations imply that a body will move in a straight line if it is isolated and the Hamiltonian does not depend on position, although they express uncertainty about providing a satisfactory proof.
  • One participant references a book discussing the concept of inertial force as resistance to deviation, expressing uncertainty about the legitimacy of the argument presented in the book due to their novice status in physics.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of momentum conservation in general relativity, indicating that while some concepts may hold locally, they do not necessarily apply globally. There is no consensus on the interpretation of inertial forces or the legitimacy of the referenced book.

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Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding and the complexity of the concepts discussed, particularly regarding the implications of curvature in spacetime and the conditions under which certain symmetries apply.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying classical mechanics, general relativity, or the philosophical implications of symmetry and conservation laws in physics.

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In the article from Wikipedia called: Geodesics as Hamiltonian Flows at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesics_as_Hamiltonian_flows"

It states the following:

It is frequently said that geodesics are "straight lines in curved space". By using the Hamilton-Jacobi approach to the geodesic equation, this statement can be given a very intuitive meaning: geodesics describe the motions of particles that are not experiencing any forces. In flat space, it is well known that a particle moving in a straight line will continue to move in a straight line if it experiences no external forces; this is Newton's first law. The Hamiltonan describing such motion is well known to be H = mv2 / 2 = p2 / 2m with p being the momentum. It is the conservation of momentum that leads to the straight motion of a particle.

Under the wiki article regarding momentum it states:

Conservation of momentum is a mathematical consequence of the homogeneity (shift symmetry) of space (position in space is the canonical conjugate quantity to momentum). So, momentum conservation can be philosophically stated as "nothing depends on location per se".

My understanding of relativity is fairly basic but I feel I intuitively understand most of this. My question is if we insert the second bold text into the first it basically says that straight line motion is a result of shift symmetry. Can someone explain this further? Or am I fishing for a connection between two related but ancillary points?
 
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In Special Relativity, you would be right on. Momentum conservation is a result of translation symmetry.

However, in General Relativity, the analog to "translation symmetry" doesn't always exist, because spacetime is curved. The concept you are looking for in this case are Killing vectors, which are vector fields with certain properties that allow you to define globally conserved quantities. Killing vectors cannot always be found, however. Hence, momentum conservation as a global symmetry does not always apply in General Relativity; however, it does apply locally (that is, over portions of the spacetime manifold that are not too large).
 
I'm pretty sure it follows from Hamilton's equations that a body obeying the principle of least action will move in a straight line if its isolated, i.e. if its Hamiltonian is not a function of position. I couldn't really come up with a proof I was happy with, however.

Note that I'm staying callssical here, to make it easier to talk about...
 
I just read an interesting book called "Relativity and the Nature of Spacetime" by Vesselin Petkov, I don't know if it's legitimate or not. He seemed to say that inertial force is the resistance a worldtube feels towards deviation. I don't know what if his argument is accepted or not, seems logical to me but I am a novice with no physics background.:

http://www.fqxi.org/data/essay-contest-files/Petkov_PetkovFQXi.pdf
 

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