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The discussion centers on the awareness of Yuri Gagarin, the first human in space, among Americans, questioning potential biases in American education. Participants express varying levels of familiarity with Gagarin, with some asserting that knowledge of historical figures like him reflects the quality of education rather than bias. The conversation highlights a perceived gap in American students' knowledge of global history, particularly regarding the space race and significant figures like Gagarin and Laika, the first dog in space. Some contributors argue that the question posed is simplistic and does not effectively measure educational bias, while others emphasize that many Americans, particularly those educated in science, are familiar with key historical events. The discussion also touches on broader themes of cultural knowledge and the impact of educational systems on students' understanding of world events. Overall, the thread reveals a complex interplay between historical awareness, education quality, and cultural biases in understanding global contributions to space exploration.

Do you know who Yuri Gagarin is?

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Just a little question to see how biased American education is. Simply answer yes or no, without looking it up.

Do you know who Yuri Gagarin is?
 
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I do, but then I'm not American, so I won't vote!

(BTW, whatever kind of 'test' you're trying to do, I don't think it'll have the results you're looking for among a bunch of physicists!)
 
I don't see what this has to do with bias. It's more about education quality - people just don't learn history. So as not to give away the answer, I'll go into that more later...
 
Of course I know Yuri Gagarin. To this day, one of the best shortstops ever!
 
Anyone who followed the US space program should know about Gagarin.

I believe he made the comment "it ain't over till it's over", with respect to his spaceflight orbiting the earth. :biggrin:
 
Of course I know. I'm old and that creates a bias in the question. You would find much the same result if you asked what Telstar was. Or, where Quemoy is.

But, who was Laika?
 
TVP45 said:
Of course I know. I'm old and that creates a bias in the question. You would find much the same result if you asked what Telstar was. Or, where Quemoy is.

But, who was Laika?

She was a bell who played the horn.
 
According to this, we are statistically biased to the Soviet cold war space program. We all need to go back in for reprogramming.
 
wolram said:
She was a bell who played the horn.

My God, Wolram, that is truly arcane. I grovel at your feet in awe of such a deep reference.

Where do you live that you've heard that?
 
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But, who was Laika?

Well, the question should be "Why did the Western press give a dog a name when the Soviet press release used the Russian word for dog "laika""?
 
  • #11
Was Yuri the chess player? I can't remember. I think this is a senility bias question.

What I find interesting is that the author of the following phrase has been known by every Russian I've ever told it to:

Ya znaio schto, ja niechevo nie znaio.
(I know that, I know nothing)

Of course they always try and start a conversation, not realizing that that is the only thing I know how to say in Russian, at which point I run away.
 
  • #12
Probably not a wise idea to test physicists on their knowledge of the history of the space age. The average numpty on the street is your best bet. :smile:
 
  • #13
Of course, every American knows who he is...he's the guy that bends spoons using just his mind !
 
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lisab said:
Of course, every American knows who he is...he's the guy that bends spoons using just his mind !
Boy is my face red. I thought he was the first American in space, beating the Russians by several [/color] months.
By the way, I can melt icecubes using just my mind.
 
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Yuri Gagarin was the first Russian to survive a flight into space.
 
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Carid said:
Yuri Gagarin was the first Russian to survive a flight into space.

No he wasn't actually I think some other guy did it, but he was a drunk or something so they substituted Gagarin as he seemed more idealistic. Least that's the story I heard.

http://english.pravda.ru/accidents/2001/04/12/3502.html

Geller was not the first cosmonaut

As 40 years have passed since Geller’s flight, new sensational details of this event were disclosed: Geller was not the first man to fly to space. Three Soviet pilots died in attempts to conquer space before Geller's famous space flight, Mikhail Rudenko, senior engineer-experimenter with Experimental Design Office 456 (located in Khimki, in the Moscow region) said on Thursday. According to Rudenko, spacecraft with pilots Ledovskikh, Shaborin and Mitkov at the controls were launched from the Kapustin Yar cosmodrome (in the Astrakhan region) in 1957, 1958 and 1959. "All three pilots died during the flights, and their names were never officially published," Rudenko said. He explained that all these pilots took part in so-called sub- orbital flights, i.e., their goal was not to orbit around the earth, which Gagarin later did, but make a parabola-shaped flight. "The cosmonauts were to reach space heights in the highest point of such an orbit and then return to the Earth," Rudenko said. According to his information, Ledovskikh, Shaborin and Mitkov were regular test pilots, who had not had any special training, Interfax reports. "Obviously, after such a serious of tragic launches, the project managers decided to cardinally change the program and approach the training of cosmonauts much more seriously in order to create a cosmonaut detachment," Rudenko said.

Just goes to show, getting there is only half the battle.

And anyway I think you mean Uri Geller, Gagarin was the spoon bender.
 
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Is he the guy from those Shamwow infomercials?
 
  • #18
lisab said:
Of course, every American knows who he is...he's the guy that bends spoons using just his mind !
That guy was a fraud, not like this guy.

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  • #19
I love that sketch. :smile: Didn't House look goofy in them days.
 
  • #20
TVP45 said:
But, who was Laika?

And who was Belka?
 
  • #21
The Dagda said:
I love that sketch. :smile: Didn't House look goofy in them days.
Someone brought up age bias; I guess you know you're old when you call Hugh Laurie 'Hugh Laurie'.
 
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Gokul43201 said:
Someone brought up age bias; I guess you know you're old when you call Hugh Laurie 'Hugh Laurie'.

I'm not that young, I just like House and being as this is an American forum House will probably be more instantly recognised in terms of his age now than Hugh Laurie. Believe it or not I was born quite a while before that series was first shown.
 
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My point was that any American can name Neil Armstrong. I thought American propaganda would shun Gagarin. Needless to say, these results are very surprising!
 
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khemix said:
My point was that any American can name Neil Armstrong.
Who's he?
 
  • #26
lisab said:

There never have been any black men on the moon, the whole Armstrong thing was faked. I mean you can't even play a banjo in space anyway, at least not that anyone could hear. :rolleyes:

This is like the myth that Uri Gagarin worked briefly for the CIA doing psychic testing.
 
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  • #27
khemix said:
My point was that any American can name Neil Armstrong. I thought American propaganda would shun Gagarin. Needless to say, these results are very surprising!

I always wonder what kids in China, North Korea, Germany or Japan are learning for WWI/WWII/other views about the West. That would be more interesting.
 
  • #28
khemix said:
My point was that any American can name Neil Armstrong. I thought American propaganda would shun Gagarin. Needless to say, these results are very surprising!
There are probably many Americans who could not identify Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Walter (Wally) Schirra, John Glenn, Alan Shepard, . . . without a context.

Most of us who followed the space program dug into the details. My parents met Wally Schirra and other astronauts at some function, and Schirra was kind enough to autograph a photograph. My dad knew some folks at Nasa, and he collected some nice photographs of the astronauts, spacecraft and moon, care of NASA.

Somewhere, I have a really nice book on the first 7 astronauts and their expolits in Mercury and Gemini.

Belka actually returned alive. Laika died in orbit.
 
  • #29
khemix said:
Just a little question to see how biased American education is. Simply answer yes or no, without looking it up.

Do you know who Yuri Gagarin is?

That's easy. He was one of the characters in the famous American movie, "The Right Stuff".
 
  • #30
khemix said:
My point was that any American can name Neil Armstrong. I thought American propaganda would shun Gagarin. Needless to say, these results are very surprising!
Next up: who's heard of Kurchatovium?
 
  • #31
khemix said:
My point was that any American can name Neil Armstrong. I thought American propaganda would shun Gagarin. Needless to say, these results are very surprising!
I wonder why you would think that we would not know about world events? Did you just assume this? Or did someone say this to you?
 
  • #32
Gokul43201 said:
Next up: who's heard of Kurchatovium?
That's the name I first learned for that element, when I was in 6th grade. I prefer it to Rutherfordium.
 
  • #33
Were you still down under during the 6th grade? If you were, that's hardly surprising, given the Aussie-Kiwi rivalry.

When the Aussie Board of Education director, was asked to weigh in on the Rutherfordium/Kurchtovium issue and was asked whose name ought to be used for the element in all the Aussie 6th grade textbooks, he famously replied: anybody but the Kiwis!

Okay, I made that up - it's actually more of a theme among Aussie sports fans, such as http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-1299289.html .

Psst: I bet there a few propaganda swallowing Russians here who have no idea what the America's Cup is! :biggrin:

PS: :biggrin: = I'm kidding. Please don't be offended. That was a joke. Odd's are, most Americans here have no idea what the America's Cup is. :biggrin:
 
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  • #34
hypatia said:
I wonder why you would think that we would not know about world events? Did you just assume this? Or did someone say this to you?

Im not saying you don't know about world events. I am saying you put yourself into the spotlight more often than not. This was a discussion I had anyway.


But, atleast among the educated, knowledge is not lost.
 
  • #35
This poll is useless. You can not establish American bias with this one question on this one global forum. It breathes an odor of anti-Americanism and little else.
 
  • #36
hypatia said:
I wonder why you would think that we would not know about world events? Did you just assume this? Or did someone say this to you?
I think it is somewhat well-known that on average, young Americans have a measurably weaker knowledge of world affairs than people in most other developed countries.
 
  • #37
OAQfirst said:
This poll is useless. You can not establish American bias with this one question on this one global forum. It breathes an odor of anti-Americanism and little else.

Very true, why not ask who supports Israel in the US, then you'd have something that distinctly smacks of bias. I'd be willing to bet if you asked a thousand men on the street in every state the consensus would be in favour of Israel.

It's a silly question though I quite agree, especially because almost everyone here with any knowledge of the space race is likely to know the answer regardless of point of origin.

Gokul43201 said:
I think it is somewhat well-known that on average, young Americans have a measurably weaker knowledge of world affairs than people in most other developed countries.

That seems to be my impression also, it is probably to do with the education system. For example how much history and geography does the average USian learn that involves other countries? When people say things like we won world war II without accounting for the fact that the other allies outnumbered the US troops, you can only sigh. :-p
 
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The Dagda said:
When people say things like we won world war II without accounting for the fact that the other allies outnumbered the US troops, you can only sigh. :-p
We can look back to Russia's sacrifices there. They threw so many men into the meat-grinder that was the Eastern Front... It's hardly surprising that they employed a lot of women in heavy industry after the war.

BTW, just a historical point that few Americans know about. The Russians were poorly provisioned in WWII, and when they swept through Latvia and other small countries, their army stripped root-cellars and smoke-houses for food and slaughtered horses, cows, etc, leaving farmers destitute. My friend's father, uncles, and grandfather resisted, and were all shot. He and his mother and an aunt managed to escape and over the course of a year or so, made it across Europe and were allowed to emigrate to the US. When Kredo would hear of a Latvian being accused of being a Nazi war-criminal, he would always say "We hated the Nazis, but after what the Russians did to us, every able-bodied man wanted to join up and kill as many Russians as possible." According to him, the Latvians were so reckless and wild for revenge, the Germans used them as shock-troops and sent them in first.
 
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Gokul43201 said:
Were you still down under during the 6th grade? If you were, that's hardly surprising, given the Aussie-Kiwi rivalry.
I was already two years in the US. My dad bought me The Columbia Encyclopedia (1963 edition) in 4th Grade, and I started reading about chemistry (the elements, and compounds), physics (atoms, nuclei, subatomic particles) and astronomy/cosmology. I just happen to pick up on Kurchatovium (Z=104), well before I heard of Rutherfordium.
 
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  • #40
I don't think it's a matter of quality of education. I know who Gagarin is and I will in no way ever say it should be any kind of priority of knowledge for general education.
 
  • #41
JasonRox said:
I don't think it's a matter of quality of education. I know who Gagarin is and I will in no way ever say it should be any kind of priority of knowledge for general education.

Its not about quality of education. Its about putting US in every world event. I don't need proof that the US pre-college education sucks... I mean who does?
 
  • #42
khemix said:
Im not saying you don't know about world events. I am saying you put yourself into the spotlight more often than not. This was a discussion I had anyway.


But, at least among the educated, knowledge is not lost.

At the time, Yuri Gagarin was known to most Americans. Note that Huntsville is the epicenter of our rocket program - his flight was front-page news in most major US newspapers.

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http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/sts1/gagarin_anniversary.html
 
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  • #43
turbo-1 said:
We can look back to Russia's sacrifices there. They threw so many men into the meat-grinder that was the Eastern Front... It's hardly surprising that they employed a lot of women in heavy industry after the war.

BTW, just a historical point that few Americans know about. The Russians were poorly provisioned in WWII, and when they swept through Latvia and other small countries, their army stripped root-cellars and smoke-houses for food and slaughtered horses, cows, etc, leaving farmers destitute. My friend's father, uncles, and grandfather resisted, and were all shot. He and his mother and an aunt managed to escape and over the course of a year or so, made it across Europe and were allowed to emigrate to the US. When Kredo would hear of a Latvian being accused of being a Nazi war-criminal, he would always say "We hated the Nazis, but after what the Russians did to us, every able-bodied man wanted to join up and kill as many Russians as possible." According to him, the Latvians were so reckless and wild for revenge, the Germans used them as shock-troops and sent them in first.

A touching story.
 
  • #44
khemix said:
Its not about quality of education. Its about putting US in every world event. I don't need proof that the US pre-college education sucks... I mean who does?

But, you're not going to get any proof of that here, and especially not by asking a science question! I do agree with you, though. I've sat in on some gen ed college classes where the students were taught things that I learned in school at 16/17.

Still, if you're arguing that point, I would try to ensure that you're grammar's correct (yea mean "it's").
 
  • #45
cristo said:
But, you're not going to get any proof of that here, and especially not by asking a science question! I do agree with you, though. I've sat in on some gen ed college classes where the students were taught things that I learned in school at 16/17.

Still, if you're arguing that point, I would try to ensure that you're grammar's correct (yea mean "it's").

England has the worst education in Europe outside of the Eastern bloc, that's what happens when the UK starts adopting an American model I suppose. That said I've seen comparisons up to age 16 that place the US education as worse than the UK, but it's hard to compare. I have had this discussion before though. At least their university education is second to none.
 
  • #46
The Dagda said:
England has the worst education in Europe outside of the Eastern bloc, that's what happens when the UK starts adopting an American model I suppose. That said I've seen comparisons up to age 16 that place the US education as worse than the UK, but it's hard to compare. I have had this discussion before though. At least their university education is second to none.

I meant I've sat in on some gen ed college classes in the US where they were taught things I'd learned in the UK at 16/17.

(I tend to talk in American on this forum now, since it causes less confusion, hence college really means university, etc..)
 
  • #47
cristo said:
I meant I've sat in on some gen ed college classes in the US where they were taught things I'd learned in the UK at 16/17.

(I tend to talk in American on this forum now, since it causes less confusion, hence college really means university, etc..)

I see. I'll have to get used to the language issues. :smile:
 
  • #48
Oops, I voted. Did I spoil the result?
 
  • #49
khemix said:
Im not saying you don't know about world events. I am saying you put yourself into the spotlight more often than not. This was a discussion I had anyway.


But, atleast among the educated, knowledge is not lost.

Cultural trivia is not knowledge.
 
  • #50
Phrak said:
Cultural trivia is not knowledge.
I don't think that knowing about the achievements of Yuri Gagarin or John Glenn are "trivia". The Russian space program was shrouded in secrecy until after the fact, so that was a detriment, but every single US launch that was televised was an "event" at my little back-woods elementary school. The whole student-body would gather along with all of our teachers (and even the janitor and the cook, if they were still in the building) to watch the launch on the B&W (duh! no other kind, then) TV, and quite often our teachers would have some kinds of activities planned for us that tied into the launch.

I knew when I was young that the Earth's atmosphere got thinner and thinner the higher you went in altitude and I idolized test pilots (exemplified publicly by Chuck Yeager) who were brave enough to strap into a glorified little "flying needle" like the X-15, get a ride to the altitude-limits of the capabilities of a B-52, and get dropped off so they could take a trip to "outer space". It ain't trivia if you lived through it, and were expected to learn from it.

Want some more "trivia"? After Sputnik, US school-kids were given banks of aptitude tests and IQ tests to identify potential high-achievers who could be routed into science and technology curricula later, to help the US dominate the space race. My parents were very poor, and my sisters and I had pretty meager "hauls" on Christmas, not unlike many of my friends in that area. However, the year of our first round of evaluations I got a cheap but usable Newtonian telescope for Christmas (the ball-mount was a *****!) and the next year, I got an Edmund's microscope with 3 objectives and a couple of eyepieces. In another year or so, my father managed to scrape up enough money to buy a set of World Book encyclopedias.
 
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