Exploring 4D Worlds: A Visual Journey Through Extra Dimensions

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of spaces with an extra physical dimension. While it is generally thought to be impossible due to the amount of information, there are some special cases where it can be achieved, such as in a 4D road race. The discussion also mentions a book called Diaspora by Greg Egan, which explores visualizing an extra dimension in a virtual museum. However, visualizing higher dimensional spaces is still a complex and challenging task.
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I've been wondering what spaces with an extra physical dimension would look like. That is, instead of our 3+1D space it would be a 4+1D space.

In general, it can't be done. There is too much information for a human brain to handle. But some special cases can work. The main one I thought of was a 4D road race.

Now in our world a Formula One road race is mainly a 2D phenomenon. The track is more or less flat, so all that matters is forward-back and left-right. The up-down dimension could be reused. The way this would be done is to not show the up-down dimension at all, and instead use that for the new, novel, extra dimension. The road then would like like a curved rod instead of a strip. That curved rod can wind around in all three dimensions, so it can curve as freely up and down as it does left and right, or any combination of these two directions. The road would appear on the screen as a circle extending off into the distance, turning and twisting as it will. The driver has to be careful not to exceed the the friction of the road and skid off of it. Has this already been done?

The sky wouldn't be usually be visible, instead the round road would be surrounded all 360 degrees by buildings, trees, or whatever. The 4th dimension up-down dimension couldn't be seen directly but could be encoded topographically.

Off-road 4D is much harder. The trouble is that a human can see only 3D slices of the 4D world, and has to construct the 4D world from that, then find an optimal path through this 4D world constructed in the imagination.

It would be even more difficult that constructing a 3D world from 2D slices. Imagine a game where you could only see only a few one-pixel-wide vertical and a horizontal slits. It wouldn't be easy, but at least we know how to imagine a 3D world.
 
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Are you looking for works of science fiction or fantasy that deal with this visualisation? If so I suggest Diaspora by Greg Egan. If not and you're just looking for a discussion on what you've posted then the thread will have to be locked as it isn't in line with sub forum rules.
 
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Ryan_m_b said:
Are you looking for works of science fiction or fantasy that deal with this visualisation? If so I suggest Diaspora by Greg Egan. If not and you're just looking for a discussion on what you've posted then the thread will have to be locked as it isn't in line with sub forum rules.
Put it anywhere you like.
 
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Ryan_m_b said:
Are you looking for works of science fiction or fantasy that deal with this visualisation? If so I suggest Diaspora by Greg Egan. If not and you're just looking for a discussion on what you've posted then the thread will have to be locked as it isn't in line with sub forum rules.

So, how does Greg Egan visualize an extra dimension? I read about Diaspora but this specific topic wasn't discussed in the summaries.

Ever since Flatland (1895?) higher dimensional spaces have been visualized by not displaying one of the dimensions. A 3D slice of a 4D object is displayed. Nothing wrong with that, but there are other ways.

In general, displaying 4D objects can't be done because there is too much information. Possibly the best course is to look for constrained situations that can be taken advantage of.
 
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It's been a while and to be honest the descriptions are complex and take up large parts of the story (the latter third anyway). It's definitely not with the flatland analogy, it takes pains to describe the journey from a 3+1d environment to a 4+1d. One chapter features a virtual museum whose exhibits are all dedicated to explain the physical laws and features of 4 dimensional universes. I suggest checking it out to really find out.
 

1. How can we visualize a 4D road race?

Visualizing a 4D road race can be done by using techniques such as 3D modeling, animation, and virtual reality. These methods allow us to represent the fourth dimension of time in a visual format.

2. What is the purpose of visualizing 4D in a road race?

The purpose of visualizing 4D in a road race is to gain a better understanding of the race dynamics, including the movement and interaction of runners over time. This can also help identify patterns and strategies that can improve performance.

3. Can we visualize 4D road races in real-time?

Yes, it is possible to visualize 4D road races in real-time using advanced computer graphics and animation software. This allows for a more immersive and interactive experience for the viewer.

4. What data is needed to create a 4D visualization of a road race?

In order to create a 4D visualization of a road race, data such as runner positions, speed, and time must be collected and inputted into the visualization software. Other factors such as terrain and weather conditions can also be incorporated to create a more realistic simulation.

5. How can visualizing 4D road races benefit the running community?

Visualizing 4D road races can benefit the running community by providing a deeper understanding of race dynamics and helping runners improve their performance. It can also be used as a training tool for coaches and athletes to analyze and strategize for future races.

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