Exploring the Possibilities of Entanglement Communication in Sci-Fi Story

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The discussion revolves around the concept of using quantum entanglement for communication in a sci-fi story. Participants explore the feasibility of 'entanglement communication' and its implications within the framework of current physics, addressing both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how entanglement communication would work, expressing a lack of understanding of physics.
  • Another participant asserts that, according to current laws of physics, it is impossible to transmit information faster than the speed of light, stating that entanglement does not facilitate communication without a classical channel.
  • Several participants discuss the nature of quantum computing, with some suggesting that it involves moving information through entanglement, while others clarify that physical objects or signals must still be transmitted.
  • A participant speculates on the implications of changing the state of entangled particles, proposing various scenarios about the nature of state changes and their observability.
  • Another participant explains that the state change of an entangled particle is not observable in a way that allows for prior knowledge of its state, emphasizing the importance of the classical channel for communication.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of deriving the state of one particle from another, with a participant suggesting that if the state of one particle changes, it could reflect changes in the other particle, though this is contested.
  • One participant concludes that entanglement can only be used to derive the state of one particle once, after which the entanglement is lost.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the feasibility of using entanglement for communication. While some assert that it cannot be done without a classical channel, others explore hypothetical scenarios about state changes and their implications. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of terms such as 'classical channel' and the nature of state changes in entangled particles. There are unresolved assumptions about the mechanics of entanglement and its implications for communication.

Who May Find This Useful

Writers interested in incorporating scientific concepts into fiction, particularly in the realm of quantum physics and communication technologies.

jaramsli
I am writing a sci-fi story that contains an 'entanglement com', a point-to-point connection between Earth and some distant planet, allowing for real-time communication.

I know absolutely nothing about physics, but I know there is a problem with observing a qbit, the other bits will realign themselves to become "consistent with the observation" - don't remember where I read the quoted text,
probably some computer magazine back in the 20th century.

So, my question is: How would the entanglement com work, if at all?
 
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It does not work at all. According to the current laws of physics, it is impossible to transmit any information faster than the speed of light. Entanglement does not help in any way, you would still need a classical channel to transmit information.
 
What are quantum computers about? I thought they were about getting information to move through entanglement?
 
They still have to move physical objects, or send electromagnetic signals from A to B, or use some similar method to transmit information.
 
So, what exactly is quantum computing, if it isn't trying to get entanglement to work
 
Tenshou said:
So, what exactly is quantum computing, if it isn't trying to get entanglement to work

Google is your friend.
 
mfb said:
It does not work at all. According to the current laws of physics, it is impossible to transmit any information faster than the speed of light. Entanglement does not help in any way, you would still need a classical channel to transmit information.

Thank you for answering.
Unfortunately, one fool can ask more questions than ten wise men can answer:

"According to the current laws of physics, it is impossible to transmit any information faster than the speed of light."
Of course. I may be a fool, but not that much of a fool :)

"Entanglement does not help in any way, you would still need a classical channel to transmit information."

From this I can conclude that if two particles are entangled, and the state of one is changed, either

a) The state of the other will not change instantaneously, but rather, the state change will propagate through space at the speed of light

or

b) The state change may be instantaneous, but will not be observable

or

c) There is a limit to the distance between the two particles

or

d) Something else that I didn't think about

I am afraid I have no idea what a 'classical channel' is.
 
The state change is not observable (as in "see, now it changed!"). You can observe the state afterwards, but you cannot know the state it had before, otherwise there is no entanglement.
"instantaneous" is not the right expression - it depends on the reference frame, and the time-order of the observations in your reference frame does not matter.

I am afraid I have no idea what a 'classical channel' is.
The current internet, a phone line, mail, avian carriers, ... everything you can use to transfer regular bits.
 
Thanks again.

Would I be right to assume that if two particles were entangled and the state of one changed, and although the state change is not observable, I could read the changed state from the other particle, say, one nanosecond later?
 
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Yes.
You can even read it one nanosecond earlier ;).
 
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mfb said:
Yes.
You can even read it one nanosecond earlier ;).

Then, if our particle, let's name it p1 for short had its state changed again, the other particle, let's call it p2, would reflect the change?

The state of p1 could be derived from the state of p2?

If it works once, it works twice, right?

If the state, let's call it S, changed every nanosecond to S(i), then the state of the other, let's call it T would change into a derived state T(i) every nanosecond and every T(i) could be recorded locally every nanosecond?
 
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The state of p1 could be derived from the state of p2?
That is the key point, and it can be done only once. As soon as this can be done, the entanglement is lost, and further modifications will not influence the measurements on the other particle.
 
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mfb said:
That is the key point, and it can be done only once. As soon as this can be done, the entanglement is lost, and further modifications will not influence the measurements on the other particle.

Thanks! I get the impression that I understand it now, I know it will pass!

In any case, I ran out of questions :)
 

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