Expression for the change in water height in a tank

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the change in water height in a tank, particularly focusing on the implications of the tank being open to the atmosphere. Participants explore the effects of this condition on fluid dynamics and pressure behavior, as well as the relevance of certain assumptions in the context of a fluid mechanics problem.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if the top of the tank is open to the atmosphere, the mass of the air can be ignored in calculations, implying that this condition does not change the outcome.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the exercise and notes that while the tank's open or closed status affects pressure behavior, it does not impact the answer given the provided conditions.
  • A participant questions the relevance of the term 'realistic' used by the author, indicating uncertainty about the applicability of the assumptions made in the exercise.
  • One participant mentions the need to understand background concepts such as one-dimensional flow to better grasp the example being discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit uncertainty regarding the implications of the tank being open to the atmosphere. While some believe it does not affect the calculations, others raise questions about the assumptions and the context of the problem, indicating that multiple views remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the assumptions made in the problem, particularly regarding the definition of a one-dimensional inlet and the pressure dependency of fluid flow.

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The Attempt at a Solution


There is solved problem on change in water height with respect to time. I understand it but there is the b part of the question. It asks that what's if the top of the tank is open to the atmosphere?

I think nothing would change but we would ignore the mass of the air in the calculation. So is it correct?

Thank you.

Source: Fluid Mechanics by Frank M. White
 
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First reading caused a bit of confusion - I try to fix it below...
 
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Hello,
In a second round I spent some more time reading all of your post -- and it turns out I can skip a great deal. It also turns out I have to read the lower part first and then the upper part :oops:. In the context of the exercise the fluid flow in terms of the velocity is given. Tank open or closed has an effect on the pressure behaviour but with these givens that does not affect the answer. Just before the exercise begins, the author uses the word 'realistic'. To me that doesn't apply to the exercise: I wouldn't know what a one dimensional inlet is. And usually fluid flow is pressure dependent.

My post #2 is now a bit out-of-context, so I'll erase it ... in order not to look too stupid for casual readers like me :smile:
 
BvU said:
Hello,
In a second round I spent some more time reading all of your post -- and it turns out I can skip a great deal. It also turns out I have to read the lower part first and then the upper part :oops:. In the context of the exercise the fluid flow in terms of the velocity is given. Tank open or closed has an effect on the pressure behaviour but with these givens that does not affect the answer. Just before the exercise begins, the author uses the word 'realistic'. To me that doesn't apply to the exercise: I wouldn't know what a one dimensional inlet is. And usually fluid flow is pressure dependent.

My post #2 is now a bit out-of-context, so I'll erase it ... in order not to look too stupid for casual readers like me :smile:

Hello. I think author try to explain that the formula for conservation of flow rates is realistic. It doesn't directly said for the exercise but it is related to it as well.

It is very clear and easy to understand that the calculations never change when the top is open to the atmosphere. So why does author want to ask this?

I will continue to study background concepts related to this example such as one dimensional flow in this example.

Thank you.
 

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