External Electric Field of a Pulse Travelling in a Conductor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether a pulse traveling down a conducting wire emits an electric field. Participants explore concepts related to transmission lines, electric and magnetic fields, and the behavior of pulses in conductors, touching on both theoretical and practical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a pulse requires a return path to propagate down a transmission line, with an electric field existing between conductors and a magnetic field generated around the wires due to current.
  • Others propose that an electric field will appear between the wire and its reference, with the pulse traveling at close to the speed of light and the impedance of the wire line being the ratio of electric to magnetic fields.
  • A participant mentions the Goubau Line as a single conductor transmission line, suggesting that ideally no power is radiated during the pulse's journey.
  • Another participant emphasizes that only low-frequency currents can diffuse into a conductor, while pulses travel as electromagnetic surface guided waves, indicating that the electric field is external to the conductor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the nature of the electric field emitted by a pulse in a conductor, with no consensus reached on the specifics of how the electric field behaves or the implications of different transmission line configurations.

Contextual Notes

There are references to specific transmission line configurations and the behavior of electric and magnetic fields, but the discussion lacks resolution on the definitions and assumptions regarding pulse propagation and field interactions.

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If I send a pulse down a conducting wire, does the pulse emit an electric field?
 
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deathcloset said:
If I send a pulse down a conducting wire, does the pulse emit an electric field?

Welcome to the PF.

Your terminology is not quite right. In order for a pulse to propagate down a transmission line, there has to be a return path. See the animation at the top right of the wikipedia page on Transmission Lines:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_line

When you have a 2-conductor transmission line, you can make a pulse propagate down it by putting a step input voltage into it (like at the left of the figure). That voltage pulse propagates down the transmission line, with an electric field between the 2 conductors, and a current pulse induced in the 2 wires. The current does cause a magnetic B-field to be generated around each wire, but the electric E-field is mainly contained in the space between the two wires.
 
Thank you for the welcome :) -you answered my question succinctly, despite my poor terminology.
 
deathcloset said:
If I send a pulse down a conducting wire, does the pulse emit an electric field?
To launch a pulse of energy along a wire you will need some reference, another side to the system.
A pulse of energy will travel at close to the speed of light.

An electric field will appear between the wire and the reference, the other side of the system or other parts of the same wire.
A magnetic field will form about the wire due to the current in the pulse.
The impedance of the wire line will be the ratio of the electric to the magnetic field.

So yes, an electric field will be emitted by the pulse as it travels along the wire.
Relative field magnitude and distribution will be determined by the geometry of the wire and it's surroundings.
 
Fascinating.

This forum is awesome!

Thanks again :)
 
deathcloset said:
If I send a pulse down a conducting wire, does the pulse emit an electric field?

The nearest thing to what you seem to have in mind is the Goubau Line, which consists of a single conductor transmission line. See this link.

You can look upon it as a coaxial line with the outer at 'infinity'. You can launch a pulse at one end with a tapered horn and receive it at the other with a similar horn. The wave that is launched is tied to the line on its journey. Ideally, no power is actually radiated (within limits of course).
I remember it being considered, in my department, as a way of getting signals up to a balloon mounted transmitter for transmitter site surveys. Afaik, it was not actually used but it was an interesting idea.
 
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deathcloset said:
Title “External Electric Field of a Pulse Travelling in a Conductor
It should be noted here that only very low frequency current has sufficient time to diffuse into and so flow in a conductor.
A pulse travels at close to the speed of light on, or in the surface skin of the conductor, as an EM surface guided wave.

So when a pulse travels along a Conductor it is an External Electric Field.
There is no pulse of current deeper inside the conductor.

G-Lines and now E-Lines:
Adventures in Engineering - E-Line data transmission via single conductor power wire.
http://mackys.livejournal.com/935479.html
Which leads to a 1.2Mbyte pdf.
Introduction to the Propagating Wave on a Single Conductor
http://www.corridor.biz/FullArticle.pdf
Re: Balloons, see; Illustration 14:
 
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