Factorials and Squares: Finding Solutions to a Unique Equation

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation 1! + 2! + 3! + ... + x! = (N)² for natural numbers N and x. Participants identify that for x values 1 and 3, the equation holds true, suggesting the answer is two solutions. A key argument is that for x greater than 3, the sum of factorials ends with a 3, which cannot equal the square of a natural number. Additionally, it is noted that for n > 3, n(n-1)(n-2) exceeds n², reinforcing the conclusion that no solutions exist for larger x. The conversation highlights the importance of proving these mathematical properties to solidify the findings.
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Homework Statement



For some natural N the no of positive integers x satisfying the equation
1! + 2! + 3! + ... + x! = (N)2 is:
A)one
B)two
C)infinite
D)none


The Attempt at a Solution


I have no idea of how to start.. never came across such problems.
By trial i have got two values for x being 1 and 3. And the answer is also two . But how do i prove it?

Please help.(just a starting guidance would be very useful)
 
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Past x=3, the sum of factorials always has a 3 in the last place, s4=33, s5 = 153, ... You need to argue that the square of a natural number cannot end with a 3.
 
Or better yet argue n(n-1)(n-2) > n^2 for n>3. If you can prove this you know for N>3 your relation can't hold, since n! > n^2 will be true.
 
fzero said:
Past x=3, the sum of factorials always has a 3 in the last place, s4=33, s5 = 153, ... You need to argue that the square of a natural number cannot end with a 3.

I found this easier, Thanks. Though i could find the answer by your method too JonF thanks!
 
You need to prove this fact if you use his method, “Past x=3, the sum of factorials always has a 3 in the last place"

n(n-1)(n-2) > n^2 for n>3 Is simple algebra.

If you expand n(n-1)(n-2) you get (n^2-n)(n-2) = n^3 – 2n^2 –n^2 +2n= n^3 – 3n^2 +2n = n^2(n-3) +2n

n^2(n-3) +2n is clearly positive if n>3.
 
Ok.. got it.
 
JonF said:
Or better yet argue n(n-1)(n-2) > n^2 for n>3. If you can prove this you know for N>3 your relation can't hold, since n! > n^2 will be true.

I'm not overly sure this is useful, as the way I read the original question x and N are two (possibly) different numbers.

It could be, for instance that 1! + 2! + 3! + 4! + 5! == 162, instead of the 52 you seem to be suggesting. Of course it isn't, but have I misinterpreted what you're saying?
 
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