Factorize in Q[x] , R[x] and C[X]

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The discussion revolves around the factorization of the polynomial 4x^6 + 8x^5 - 3x^4 - 19x^3 - 26x^2 - 15x - 3 in the contexts of Q[x], R[x], and C[x]. Participants are exploring the validity of proposed factorization attempts and the identification of roots.

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  • Participants discuss an initial factorization attempt and question its correctness, particularly regarding the identification of roots. There is exploration of how to find irrational roots by hand and the validity of using calculators for verification.

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The discussion is active, with participants correcting each other and exploring methods for identifying roots. Some guidance on checking for rational and irrational roots has been provided, though there is no explicit consensus on the factorization itself.

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Factorize in Q[x] , R[x] and C[X]

[tex]4x^6 + 8x^5 - 3x^4 - 19x^3 - 26x^2 - 15x - 3[/tex]


I couldn't finish it but this is up to where I did:

[tex]4(x+1/2)^2 (x^4+x^3-2x^2-3x-3)[/tex]
 
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Your factorization cannot be correct.
In the original one, 1 is not a root, whereas 1 is a root in your second one.
 
Im sorry I can't see that.
In the second gives -6
 
Sorry, my mistake.
 
Well, my calculator says that the remaining real solutions of your fourth-degree factor are [tex]\pm \sqrt{3}[/tex] but I don't know how you could find those by hand.
 
Yes that's right thanks
 
0rthodontist said:
but I don't know how you could find those by hand.

That was a problem in my exam
 
Well--how do you find them by hand then, seeing how they are irrational?
 
It's easy to check if a polynomial has any rational roots. To see if it has irrational roots of the form [itex]\sqrt{r}[/itex] for r rational, you can break up the polynomial into even and odd terms and substitute in [itex]\sqrt{r}[/itex], which will leave something like [itex]e(r)+o(r) \sqrt{r}[/itex]. For r rational, this will only be zero if e(r)=o(r)=0. In this case,

[tex]x^4+x^3-2x^2-3x-3 = (x^4+2x^2-3) + (x^3-3x)=0[/tex]

plugging in x= [itex]\sqrt{r}[/itex]:

[tex](r^2+2r-3) + \sqrt{r} (r-3)[/tex]

We see that r=3 is a solution to both terms, and so [itex]x=\pm \sqrt{3}[/itex] is a root of the original polynomial. This process can be generalized to cube roots, etc, but I doubt if it's very useful unless you know in advance that you'll have a root of this form.
 
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