Fair dice and two slit experiment

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between mechanics and probability in the context of fair dice and the double slit experiment in quantum mechanics. Participants explore whether there is a deterministic process analogous to the mechanics of dice that could explain the probabilistic outcomes observed in the double slit experiment.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the outcome of a die roll is determined by mechanics rather than probability, raising questions about the nature of outcomes in quantum experiments.
  • One participant states that there is no known analogous explanation for photon behavior in the double slit experiment, and most quantum physicists do not believe such an explanation exists.
  • Another participant notes that while current theory does not provide a deterministic explanation, some interpretations of quantum mechanics allow for determined outcomes based on unknowable initial conditions.
  • A later reply questions whether probability itself acts on photons or if the cause remains unknown, indicating a lack of consensus on the underlying mechanisms.
  • Participants acknowledge that interpretations of quantum mechanics vary widely, with many being philosophical in nature, yet they agree that the predictive results remain consistent across interpretations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the existence of a deterministic process analogous to mechanics in the context of quantum outcomes. There is no consensus on whether probability acts on photons or if other causes are postulated.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that interpretations of quantum mechanics can yield the same predictive results, but the philosophical implications and the nature of probability in quantum mechanics remain unresolved.

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The number that comes up on a die seems to be determined by mechanics - not probability; eventhough dice are used to explain probability. Is there a analogus process that determines where a photon will fall in the double split experiment - eventhough it is explained by probability?
 
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Pjpic said:
The number that comes up on a die seems to be determined by mechanics - not probability; eventhough dice are used to explain probability. Is there a analogus process that determines where a photon will fall in the double split experiment - eventhough it is explained by probability?

No, there is no known analogous explanation.

1. Most quantum physicists do not think such exists, and current theory does not provide for such an explanation.

2. There are some possible interpretations that DO allow a determined outcome. Physicists in that camp say that due to unknowable initial conditions, we cannot predict the outcome - ever.
 
DrChinese said:
No, there is no known analogous explanation.

1. Most quantum physicists do not think such exists, and current theory does not provide for such an explanation.

If it is not intial conditions, is probability itself thought to be acting on the photons, is it just left as an unknown, or is there some other cause postulated?
 
Pjpic said:
DrChinese said:
No, there is no known analogous explanation.

1. Most quantum physicists do not think such exists, and current theory does not provide for such an explanation.

If it is not intial conditions, is probability itself thought to be acting on the photons, is it just left as an unknown, or is there some other cause postulated?

No one really knows. If you follow the interpretations of Quantum Mechanics, you will see that there are opinions all over the place. But everyone pretty well accepts that Quantum Mechanics, where it does speak, is correct.

So a lot of the interpretations are considered philosophical in some respects as the predictive results are all the same in every interpretation. Again, there are no shortage of viewpoints. That does not mean you are free to invent your own and it would be accepted: any interpretation that yields predictions different than QM wouldn't make sense. So there are significant constraints.
 

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