Faraday's law of mutual induction

AI Thread Summary
When solving for mutual induction, the surface chosen for calculating magnetic flux must have a boundary that matches the loop around which the electromotive force (emf) is computed. Typically, a flat surface is preferred for simplicity, but any orientable surface can be used. An example provided involves a circular loop of wire within a solenoid, where the magnetic field increases, allowing for the calculation of emf using the formula for magnetic flux. In this case, the calculated emf is 0.031 V, resulting in a current of 31 mA, which is safe for the LED. This illustrates the importance of correctly defining the surface and boundary in mutual induction problems.
darksyesider
Messages
63
Reaction score
0
When solving for mutual induction, how do you know what surface to take the flux over?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
You are allowed to choose any surface* as long as its boundary is the loop around which you are computing the emf. In general you choose a flat surface if that's possible, so as to make calculations easier, but you could choose whatever surface you like as long as it has the right boundary.

* okay, not quite any surface -- you have to choose an orientable surface, but you don't need to worry about that unless you are deliberately being perverse.
 
  • Like
Likes 1 person
So you ALWAYS make the boundary the loop where you're computing the emf?
Can you think, by any chance, of an example of this? (besides coaxial cables which i made a post about a few days/hours ago)
 
Yes, the loop around which you are computing the emf must always be the boundary of the surface.
If you are confused about this, I would suggest that you watch Walter Lewin talk about it (start at 5:00) if you haven't already.

As for an example, basically any Faraday's Law problem will do the trick.

Here's an example: A circuit consisting of a circular loop of wire (radius 1 cm) and an LED is placed inside a solenoid, with the loop of wire concentric with the coils of the solenoid. The solenoid is turned on and the magnetic field inside smoothly increases to 0.1 T over 0.001 seconds. The LED has a 1 ohm resistance and will explode if a current greater than 50 mA flows through it. Does the LED survive?

Answer: We want to calculate the EMF of the circuit, so the circuit has to be the boundary of my surface. I choose the flat surface, which is just a circle, and in this case I am in luck -- the magnetic field is perpendicular to that surface. So the magnetic flux is BA. The rate of change of magnetic flux is 0.1 T * pi(0.01 m)2/0.001 s = 0.01*pi Tm2/s. Therefore, the emf is 0.031 V, which produces a current of 31 mA. That is not enough to explode the LED.
 
Last edited:
This is from Griffiths' Electrodynamics, 3rd edition, page 352. I am trying to calculate the divergence of the Maxwell stress tensor. The tensor is given as ##T_{ij} =\epsilon_0 (E_iE_j-\frac 1 2 \delta_{ij} E^2)+\frac 1 {\mu_0}(B_iB_j-\frac 1 2 \delta_{ij} B^2)##. To make things easier, I just want to focus on the part with the electrical field, i.e. I want to find the divergence of ##E_{ij}=E_iE_j-\frac 1 2 \delta_{ij}E^2##. In matrix form, this tensor should look like this...
Thread 'Applying the Gauss (1835) formula for force between 2 parallel DC currents'
Please can anyone either:- (1) point me to a derivation of the perpendicular force (Fy) between two very long parallel wires carrying steady currents utilising the formula of Gauss for the force F along the line r between 2 charges? Or alternatively (2) point out where I have gone wrong in my method? I am having problems with calculating the direction and magnitude of the force as expected from modern (Biot-Savart-Maxwell-Lorentz) formula. Here is my method and results so far:- This...
Back
Top