Felix Baumgartner's parachute jump from space -- forces and velocities....

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This discussion revolves around the physics of Felix Baumgartner's parachute jump from space, focusing on forces, velocities, and the interpretation of a graph depicting his fall. The subject area includes dynamics, specifically the forces acting on a falling object and the effects of air resistance.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the calculation of upward force acting on Baumgartner, questioning the implications of acceleration differing from gravitational acceleration. There is discussion on the shape of the velocity graph and its relation to air density and resistance at various points during the fall. Some participants attempt to clarify their methods for calculating displacement from the graph.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into the forces at play and the graphical representation of Baumgartner's fall. There is a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the relationship between forces, acceleration, and air resistance. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need for clear explanations in calculations.

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There is an emphasis on understanding the effects of air resistance and the conditions of free fall. Participants note the importance of accurately interpreting the graph and the need for detailed explanations in their answers. The discussion also highlights the potential for confusion regarding the upward force calculations in the context of air resistance.

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a)ii) Calculate the upward force F acting on Baumgartner at this point. (3 marks)
total mass of Baumgartner = 95 kg
g = 9.8 ms-2
b) Describe the shape of the graph between 30s and 70s. Explain the velocity changes in terms of changes in the air through which Baumgartner was falling. (3 marks)
c) It has been claimed that Baumgartner fell more than 35km in the 260 seconds before he opened the parachute. Use the graph to check whether this is correct. Show your method clearly. (3 marks)

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3. The Attempt at a Solution [/B]
Mostly just looking to check my answers and understand how an exam board would want c) answered.

a)i) U at t=20 is 200m/s.
V at t=40 is 340m/s.
(340 - 200) / 20 = 7 ms-2, QED.
a)ii) Hmm. Usually I'd do 95 * 9.8 = 931 N. But his acceleration at the point was around 7ms-2, so they could be trying to catch me out by giving me g here. I don't understand what the force would be contingent on. Doesn't free fall imply constant acceleration from g?
b) The shape is a negative parabola. Terminal velocity is reached at t ~~ 45, at which point he begins to decelerate due to increased atmospheric density and hence increased air resistance.
c) From t=0 to t=50 the curve roughly forms a triangle with the x-axis. 0.5*350*50 = 8750m.
From t=50 to t=150 a rough trapezium is formed. 100 * (350+80) / 2 = 21500m.
From t=150 to t=260 another rough trapezium is formed. 110 * (80+50) / 2 = 7150m.
8750 + 21500 + 7150 = 37400m = 37.4 km. The claim is correct. (Is this proper exam technique?)
 
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Rumplestiltskin said:
)ii) Hmm. Usually I'd do 95 * 9.8 = 931 N. But his acceleration at the point was around 7ms-2, so they could be trying to catch me out by giving me g here. I don't understand what the force would be contingent on. Doesn't free fall imply constant acceleration from g?

Clearly not or his acceleration would be 9.8 not 7m/s2.

Make a free body diagram showing all the forces acting on him.

Remember that in the equation F=ma...

"F" is the net (or total) force acting on him (eg not just that due to gravity)
"a" is his actual acceleration which in this case isn't "g"
 
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CWatters said:
Clearly not or his acceleration would be 9.8 not 7m/s2.

Make a free body diagram showing all the forces acting on him.

Remember that in the equation F=ma...

"F" is the net (or total) force acting on him (eg not just that due to gravity)
"a" is his actual acceleration which in this case isn't "g"

Right, sometimes the obvious answer is the right one. 95 * 7 = 665N.
So questions that ask you something like this where you end up calculating mg for upwards force are neglecting air resistance.
 
Rumplestiltskin said:
b) The shape is a negative parabola. Terminal velocity is reached at t ~~ 45, at which point he begins to decelerate due to increased atmospheric density and hence increased air resistance.

I think I would want a bit more explanation than that. I think I would write a comment on the air density and air resistance at three points (eg 30S, 45S and 70S). Hint: My answer would include the words "less than", "equal to" and "greater than"

c) From t=0 to t=50 the curve roughly forms a triangle with the x-axis. 0.5*350*50 = 8750m... snip..

It asks you to explain or show your method clearly. I'm not sure I would accept "the curve forms a triangle" as an explanation of your method. I can see what you are doing when you write "0.5*350*50" but I think you should explain it in English to get the full marks.
 
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Rumplestiltskin said:
Right, sometimes the obvious answer is the right one. 95 * 7 = 665N. So questions that ask you something like this where you end up calculating mg for upwards force are neglecting air resistance.

You should read the question carefully :-) The question asks about the "upward force F acting on Baumgartner".
 
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CWatters said:
I think I would want a bit more explanation than that. I think I would write a comment on the air density and air resistance at three points (eg 30S, 45S and 70S). Hint: My answer would include the words "less than", "equal to" and "greater than"
Right. At 30s drag from air resistance is less than the force of weight, so Baumgartner is accelerating.
At 45s drag = force of weight, terminal velocity.
At 70s drag is greater than force of weight, hence deceleration.
Not sure if that's exactly the right terminology.

It asks you to explain or show your method clearly. I'm not sure I would accept "the curve forms a triangle" as an explanation of your method. I can see what you are doing when you write "0.5*350*50" but I think you should explain it in English to get the full marks.

Area under graph = displacement (ms-1 * s).

CWatters said:
You should read the question carefully :-) The question asks about the "upward force F acting on Baumgartner".

Force is a vector, so -655N? If not I don't have an answer that still abides by F = ma.
 
That's better however..
Rumplestiltskin said:
Force is a vector, so -655N? If not I don't have an answer that still abides by F = ma.

No that's wrong.

Ok so let's recap...

The downward force due to gravity is 931N.
You say the upward force due to air resistance is either 655N or -655N.

As a check, try calculating the net force acting on him and the resulting acceleration.
 
CWatters said:
The downward force due to gravity is 931N.
You say the upward force due to air resistance is either 655N or -655N.

As a check, try calculating the net force acting on him and the resulting acceleration.

R.F/95 = 7ms-2. 95 * 7 = 655, so this was my resultant force downwards.
931 - 655 = 276N upwards?
 
Correct. The upward force due to air resistance is 276N.
 
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