Feynman solution for the radial wave function of the hydrogen atom

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The discussion revolves around the radial wave function of the hydrogen atom as presented in the Feynman lectures. Participants explore the derivation of the coefficients in the wave function formula, particularly focusing on the recursive relationship and its implications for the quantum numbers involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the formula for the radial component of the wave function and attempts to derive the coefficient \( a_n \) using a recursive formula, encountering a division by zero issue.
  • Another participant points out that the denominator of the recursive formula is not zero for the case where \( n \geq l+1 \), suggesting that the initial claim may be incorrect.
  • A different participant clarifies that the denominator of the recursive formula becomes zero when substituting \( k=n-1 \) and \( n=l+1 \), indicating a potential misunderstanding of the conditions under which the formula applies.
  • One participant references Feynman's statement that the index \( k \) must start at \( l+1 \) and argues that the case presented does not satisfy this condition.
  • A further contribution discusses the general formula relating the principal quantum number \( n \), the radial quantum number \( n_r \), and the orbital-angular-momentum quantum number \( l \), providing context on the allowed values for these quantum numbers in the hydrogen atom.

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Participants express differing views on the application of the recursive formula and the conditions under which it holds. There is no consensus on the resolution of the division by zero issue, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation of the quantum numbers.

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Participants highlight limitations in understanding the recursive relationship and its dependence on the definitions of quantum numbers. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correct application of the formulas presented in the Feynman lectures.

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Problema in the interpretation of the Feynman solution of the Schrodinger equation for the hydrogen atom
Reading the classical Feynman lectures, I encounter the formula(19.53) that gives the radial component of the wave function:
$$
F_{n,l}(\rho)=\frac{e^{-\alpha\rho}}{\rho}\sum_{k=l+1}^n a_k \rho^k
$$
that, for ##n=l+1## becomes
$$
F_{n,l}=\frac{e^{-\rho/n}}{\rho}a_n\rho^n
$$
To find ##a_n## I use the recursive formula (19.50), but here I have problem. Using $k+1=n=l+1$ I find a division by zero.

$$
a_n =\frac{2\left( \frac{n-1}{n}-1 \right)}{(n-1)n-(n-1)n}
$$

so clearly I have a mistake. But where is it?
 
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I observe denominator of (19.50) is
n(n-1)-l(l-1)
for k=n-1. As ##n \geq l+1## it is not zero.
 
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But, in the (19.50) the denominator is
$$
k(k+1)-l(l+1)
$$
that, for ##k=n-1## becomes
$$
(n-1)n-l(l+1)
$$
and, since ##n=l+1## we have
$$
(n-1)n-(n-1)n
$$
 
Feynman says "This means that k must start at l+1 and end at n."
Your case, ##k=n-1=(l+1)-1=l##, does not satisfy it.
 
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The general formula is ##n=n_r+l+1##, where the radial quantum number ##n_r \in \mathbb{N}_0=\{0,1,2,\ldots\}## and the orbital-angular-momentum quantum number ##l \in \{0,1,2,\ldots \}##. The principle quantum number ##n \in \mathbb{N}=\{1,2,\ldots \}##. Usually the hydrogen energy eigenstates (neglecting spin) are labeled by ##(n,l,m)## (where the magnetic quantum number ##m \in \{-l,-l+2,\ldots,l-1,l\}##). The energy eigenvalues are ##E_n=-\frac{m_e e^4}{2 (4 \pi \epsilon)^2 \hbar^2 n^2}=-1 \text{Ry}/n^2## with ##1 \text{Ry} \simeq 13.6 \; \text{eV}##; ##n## is thus called the principal quantum number (that the ##E_n## do not independently depend on ##n_r## and ##l## is due to the dynamical O(4) symmetry of the hydrogen bound states; ##E_n## is ##n^2## fold degenerate).

Since ##n_r =n-l-1 \geq 0## for a given ##n## the possible values for ##l## are ##0,1,\ldots n-1##.
 
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