Fin/Extended surface differential equation for temperature

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The discussion revolves around deriving the differential equation for temperature in a triangular fin, contrasting it with the established equations for rectangular fins. Participants explore the energy balance involving conduction and convection, questioning the area definitions and their implications on the heat transfer equations.

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  • Participants discuss the energy balance equations for a triangular fin, questioning the adaptation of area definitions from rectangular fins. There is an exploration of how the area and perimeter change with respect to the fin's geometry, and the implications for the heat transfer equations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the formulation of the differential equation, while others are exploring various interpretations of the equations and their components. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made regarding the areas involved and their derivatives.

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Participants note that the fin's geometry affects the area and perimeter definitions, which are crucial for the heat balance equations. There is also mention of the need to derive equations for the area as a function of position along the fin, which adds complexity to the problem.

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I'm trying to deduce the differential equation for temperature for a triangular fin:
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I know that for a rectangular fin, such as:
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I can do:
Energy entering the left:
q_x= -kA\frac{dT(x)}{dx}

Energy leaving the right:
q_{x+dx} = -kA\frac{dT(x)}{dx} - kA\frac{d² T(x)}{dx²}dx

Energy lost by convection:
dq_{conv} = h_eA(T-T_e)
dq_{conv} = h_eP(T-T_e)dx

q_x - q_{x+dx} - dq_{conv} = 0

q_x = q_{x+dx} + dq_{conv}

-kA\frac{dT(x)}{dx} = -kA\frac{dT(x)}{dx} - kA\frac{d²T(x)}{dx²}dx + h_eP(T-T_e)dx

kA\frac{d²T(x)}{dx²}dx = h_eP(T-T_e)dx

\frac{d²T(x)}{dx²} = \frac{h_eP(T-T_e)}{kA}

But I don't understand why A = Pdx on the energy lost by convection, so I don't know how to adapt that for a triangular fin.

Seems to me that T(x,y,z) still changes predominantly on the x axis, so I assume the other two equations remain unchanged.
 
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There are two areas involved here, one perpendicular to the flow of heat in the x direction (which you call A), and the other perpendicular to the flow of heat from the fin surface into the surrounding air (which is Pdx). For a fin with triangular shape, A is decreasing with x, and P is about constant. Also, since A is a function of x, when you do your heat balance on a differential section of fin, the area A must stay inside the heat flux derivative.

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
There are two areas involved here, one perpendicular to the flow of heat in the x direction (which you call A), and the other perpendicular to the flow of heat from the fin surface into the surrounding air (which is Pdx). For a fin with triangular shape, A is decreasing with x, and P is about constant. Also, since A is a function of x, when you do your heat balance on a differential section of fin, the area A must stay inside the heat flux derivative.

Chet
So this is correct
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?

q_x = -kA(x)\frac{dT(x) }{dx}
q_{x+dx} = -kA(x)\frac{dT(x) }{dx} - k\frac{dA(x)}{dx}\frac{d²T(x)}{dx²}
dq_{conv} = h_eP(T(x)-T_e)dx
-kA(x)\frac{dT(x) }{dx} = -kA(x)\frac{dT(x) }{dx} - k\frac{dA(x)}{dx}\frac{d²T(x)}{dx²} + h_eP(T(x)-T_e)dx
k\frac{dA(x)}{dx}\frac{d²T(x)}{dx²} = h_eP(T(x)-T_e)dx
\frac{dA(x)}{dx}\frac{d²T(x) }{dx²} = \frac{h_eP(T(x)-T_e)}{k}
T(x)-T_e = θ(x)
m² = \frac{h_eP}{k}
\frac{d²T(x)}{dx²} = \frac{d²θ(x)}{dx²}
\frac{dA(x)}{dx}\frac{d²θ(x) }{dx²} = m²θ(x) (1)

What I've posted here is just a portion of an exercise I was doing, I would then have to solve the ODE to find an equation for T(x). So now I need to get rid of this derivative of A(x). To be honest the only thing I can think of to proceed from here is to find an equation for A(x) and derivate it.

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A(x) = 2h(x)P
c² = h² + x²
h(x) = sqrt(c²-x²)
A(x) = 2sqrt(c²-x²)P
\frac{dA(x)}{dx} = \frac{-2Px}{sqrt(c²-x²)}
\frac{d²θ(x) }{dx²} = -\frac{m²θ(x)sqrt(c²-x²)}{2Px}

And this is feeling too awkward to be correct, lol. Can you integrate back at (1)?
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Just thought of
n²(x) = -\frac{m²sqrt(c²-x²)}{2Px}
\frac{d²θ(x)}{dx²} = n²(x)θ(x)
\frac{d²θ(x)}{dx²} - n²(x)θ(x) = 0
θ(x) = c_1e^{nx} + c_2e^{-nx}
I know how to continue from here, but I'm having the sensation that this is wrong.
 
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If P is the dimension shown on your diagram, then the differential heat balance should read:
$$k\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(A(x)\frac{\partial T}{\partial x}\right)-2Ph(T-T_e)=0$$
Also, from the figure, A(x) = P t(x), where t is the thickness of the fin at location x. So:
$$k\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(t(x)\frac{\partial T}{\partial x}\right)-2h(T-T_e)=0$$
 
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Chestermiller said:
If P is the dimension shown on your diagram, then the differential heat balance should read:
$$k\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(A(x)\frac{\partial T}{\partial x}\right)-2Ph(T-T_e)=0$$
Also, from the figure, A(x) = P t(x), where t is the thickness of the fin at location x. So:
$$k\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(t(x)\frac{\partial T}{\partial x}\right)-2h(T-T_e)=0$$
I don't think I expressed myself properly before but anyway, finally managed to get it in the way I wanted:
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T(x) - T_e = θ(x)
m = \frac{h_e(L/e)(1+(e/L)²)^{1/2}}{k}
xθ'' + θ' - mθ = 0
Just need to solve that now.
 
roughwinds said:
I don't think I expressed myself properly before but anyway, finally managed to get it in the way I wanted:
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T(x) - T_e = θ(x)
m = \frac{h_e(L/e)(1+(e/L)²)^{1/2}}{k}
xθ'' + θ' - mθ = 0
Just need to solve that now.
This is an Euler differential equation.
 
Chestermiller said:
This is an Euler differential equation.
Wouldn't it have to be
x²θ′′+xθ′−mθ=0
for it to be an Euler differential equation?

I tried to do power series but I got stuck in the end:
y=\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_k x^k
θ'=\sum_{n=1}^\infty ka_k x^{k-1}
θ''=\sum_{n=2}^\infty k(k-1)a_k x^{k-2}
\sum_{n=2}^\infty k(k-1)a_k x^{k-1} + \sum_{n=1}^\infty ka_k x^{k-1} - \sum_{n=0}^\infty m²a_k x^k = 0
\sum_{n=1}^\infty k(k+1)a_{k+1} x^{k} + \sum_{n=0}^\infty (k+1)a_{k+1} x^{k} - \sum_{n=0}^\infty m²a_k x^k = 0
a_1 - m²a_o + \sum_{n=1}^\infty k(k+1)a_{k+1} x^{k} + \sum_{n=1}^\infty (k+1)a_{k+1} x^{k} - \sum_{n=1}^\infty m²a_k x^k = 0
a_1 - m²a_o = 0
a_1 = m²a_o
\sum_{n=1}^\infty k(k+1)a_{k+1} x^{k} + \sum_{n=1}^\infty (k+1)a_{k+1} x^{k} - \sum_{n=1}^\infty m²a_k x^k = 0
\sum_{n=1}^\infty[k(k+1)a_{k+1} x^{k} + (k+1)a_{k+1} x^{k} - m²a_k x^k]= 0
\sum_{n=1}^\infty[k(k+1)a_{k+1} + (k+1)a_{k+1} - m²a_k]x^{k}= 0
\sum_{n=1}^\infty[(k+1)(ka_{k+1} + a_{k+1}) - m²a_k]x^{k}= 0
\sum_{n=1}^\infty[(k+1)(k+1)a_{k+1} - m²a_k]x^{k}= 0
\sum_{n=1}^\infty[(k+1)²a_{k+1} - m²a_k]x^{k}= 0
(k+1)²a_{k+1} - m²a_k= 0
a_{k+1}= \frac{m²a_k}{(k+1)²}
k = 1, a_2 = \frac{m²a_1}{4} = \frac{m^{4}a_0}{2!}
k = 2, a_3 = \frac{m²a_2}{9} = \frac{m^{6}a_0}{(3!)²}
k = 3, a_4 = \frac{m²a_3}{16} = \frac{m^{8}a_0}{(4!)²}
k = 4, a_5 = \frac{m²a_4}{25} = \frac{m^{10}a_0}{(5!)²}
a_{2k}= \frac{m^{4k}a_0}{(2k!)²}
a_{2k+1}= \frac{m^{2(2k+1)}a_0}{((2k+1)!)²}
θ(x) = a_0\sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{m^{4k}x^{2k}}{(2k!)²} + a_0\sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{m^{2(2k+1)}x^{2k+1}}{((2k+1)!)²}
 
roughwinds said:
Wouldn't it have to be
x²θ′′+xθ′−mθ=0
for it to be an Euler differential equation?
Ooops. Sorry. My mistake.
 

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