Find All Subgroups of A = {1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 43, 64} | Group Theory Question

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The discussion revolves around identifying all the subgroups of the set A = {1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 43, 64} under multiplication modulo 85. Participants are exploring the properties of cyclic groups and subgroup generation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to list distinct subgroups and question the validity of their subgroup definitions. There is discussion about whether certain subgroups are distinct and the implications of cyclic group properties.

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Some participants have provided examples of subgroups and are questioning the completeness of their lists. There is acknowledgment of the need for justification regarding subgroup generation, and a theorem about cyclic groups is referenced, suggesting a productive direction in the discussion.

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Participants are operating under the constraints of group theory, specifically focusing on cyclic groups and their properties, including the relationship between group order and subgroup existence.

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Homework Statement


Determine all the subgroups of (A,x_85) justify.
where A = {1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 43, 64}.

The Attempt at a Solution


To determine all of the subgroups of A, we find the distinct subgroups of A.
<1> = {1}
<2> = {1,2,4..} and so on?
<4> = ...
...

is this true? are there any other possible subgroups, i know i havnt posted my full solution.
 
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HMPARTICLE said:

Homework Statement


Determine all the subgroups of (A,x_85) justify.
where A = {1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 43, 64}.

The Attempt at a Solution


To determine all of the subgroups of A, we find the distinct subgroups of A.
<1> = {1}
<2> = {1,2,4..} and so on?
<4> = ...
...

is this true? are there any other possible subgroups, i know i havnt posted my full solution.

Ok, so you're dealing with a group of integers under multiplication mod 85. I think you should fill in the ...'s before anyone can figure out whether you have all of the subgroups.
 
<1> = {1}
<2> = {1,2,4, 8,16,32,43,64}
<4> = {4,16,64,1}
<8> = {1,2,4, 8,16,32,43,64}
<16> = {16,1}

Them are all the distinct subgroups of the group. for example. <2> = <43> .
 
HMPARTICLE said:
<1> = {1}
<2> = {1,2,4, 8,16,32,43,64}
<4> = {4,16,64,1}
<8> = {1,2,4, 8,16,32,43,64}
<16> = {16,1}

Them are all the distinct subgroups of the group. for example. <2> = <43> .

<2> and <8> aren't really distinct, are they? There are only four distinct subgroups. And I'm not sure what you are supposed to supply for justification. In a general group a subgroup might have more than one generator. But do you know what a cyclic group is?
 
Yes. A cyclic group is a group with order n which contains an element of order n. Or better still a cyclic group is a group which contains an element that generates the group. 2 and 8 are not distinct! Silly me!

I can't think of any other subgroups. I think I may have to show that <2> = <8> = <43> and so on?
 
HMPARTICLE said:
Yes. A cyclic group is a group with order n which contains an element of order n. Or better still a cyclic group is a group which contains an element that generates the group. 2 and 8 are not distinct! Silly me!

I can't think of any other subgroups. I think I may have to show that <2> = <8> = <43> and so on?

There is a theorem that if you have a cyclic group of order n then there is exactly one subgroup for each divisor of n. Since the four divisors of 8 are 1,2,4,8 then once you find four subgroups you know you are done.
 
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I am aware of this theorem!
Thank you so much!
 

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