Find dimension and ker of matrices ?

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The discussion revolves around determining the dimensions and kernels of two given matrices in the context of linear algebra, specifically focusing on eigenvalues and diagonalizability. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the relationship between the dimensions of the kernels and the diagonalizability of the matrices.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the dimensions of the kernels of two matrices and relates these dimensions to the concept of diagonalizability. They question which matrix corresponds to which dimension and express uncertainty about the definitions of dimension and kernel.

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Participants are clarifying the original poster's questions and providing insights into the relationships between the dimensions of the kernels, ranks of the matrices, and the implications for diagonalizability. Some participants have confirmed the calculations related to the dimensions of the kernels based on the rank-nullity theorem.

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The original poster has provided row-reduced forms of the matrices but has not specified the original matrices, leading to some confusion in the discussion. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity regarding the definitions and implications of the terms used.

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Find dimension and ker of matrices ??

Let V be an F-vector space and (phi:v->v) be an F-linear transformation of V . Define what
it means for a vector v ε V to be an eigenvector of phi and what is meant by the associated
eigenvalue.


This is the form of the question during my calculations I need to calculate:


Now I have from the eigenvalues:

dim(ker()) of a matrix:
1 4 -3
0 0 0
0 0 0

and

dim(ker()) of a matrix:
1 0 -2/7
0 1 -5/7
0 0 0

Then when the I add up the the dim's I will be able to tell if it is diagonalisable.

Now in this case it is obvious, the dim(ker()) of one is 1 and another is 2. But I can't tell which one is which.

What I mean is the 1st Matrix = 2 and the second Matrix = 1 or viceversa ?

In this case in either way it will add upto 3 and as the original matrix was a 3x3 matrix it is diagonalisable right ?

In essence I don't really understand what dim or ker do ...
 
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I have no clue what you are asking. The title is "Find dimension and ker of matrices" but your first question appears to be about eigenvalues. You have "dim(ker()) of a matrix:" followed by what look like row reduced matrices. What are the original matrices?

You say "Then when the I add up the the dim's I will be able to tell if it is diagonalisable." Tell if what is diagonalisable?

The dimension of the kernel of a matrix tells you whether or not 0 is an eigenvalue and the algebraic dimension but tells you nothing about any non-zero eigenvalues- and does NOT tell you if the matrix is diagonalizable. In particular a row-reduced matrix does not have the same eigenvalues or eigenvectors as the original matrix.
 


HallsofIvy said:
I have no clue what you are asking. The title is "Find dimension and ker of matrices" but your first question appears to be about eigenvalues. You have "dim(ker()) of a matrix:" followed by what look like row reduced matrices. What are the original matrices?

You say "Then when the I add up the the dim's I will be able to tell if it is diagonalisable." Tell if what is diagonalisable?

The dimension of the kernel of a matrix tells you whether or not 0 is an eigenvalue and the algebraic dimension but tells you nothing about any non-zero eigenvalues- and does NOT tell you if the matrix is diagonalizable. In particular a row-reduced matrix does not have the same eigenvalues or eigenvectors as the original matrix.

My bad, I shouldn't have given the question in the first place as I just want to know what the resective dims kers are.

1)
what is the dim(ker()) of:
1 4 -3
0 0 0
0 0 0

2)
and what is the dim(ker()) of:
1 0 -2/7
0 1 -5/7
0 0 0

What are the answers to 1) and 2) is all I want to know, also the dims of the above matrices will also be useful.

I know that the answers are 1 and 2, but I'm not sure which one is 1 and which one is 2.

If I am coming across confused, its because I am...sorry
 


The ranks of both matrices are obvious (just look at the columns). The nullities follow immediately with the rank-nullity theorem.
 


sachav said:
The ranks of both matrices are obvious (just look at the columns). The nullities follow immediately with the rank-nullity theorem.

So for the first one the dim(ker()) is 3-1=2
and for the second one the dim(ker()) is 3-2=1

where 3 is # of columns and 1 and 2 are the ranks respectively ?
 


Yes, that's correct.
 

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