Find dy/dx by implicit differetiation HELP IMMEDIATLY

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative dy/dx through implicit differentiation of the equation 4 cos x sin y = 1. Participants are exploring the application of differentiation rules, particularly the product rule and chain rule, in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to apply the product rule and chain rule, with some questioning their understanding of these concepts. There are attempts to differentiate the equation, with various expressions for dy/dx being proposed and critiqued.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with multiple interpretations of the differentiation process being explored. Some participants have offered guidance on applying the product rule correctly, while others express confusion and seek clarification on specific steps.

Contextual Notes

Several participants mention the constant factor of 4 and its treatment in differentiation. There is also a recurring theme of misunderstanding the application of differentiation rules, which is leading to varied and incorrect expressions for dy/dx.

  • #31
You are really struggling with the product rule, but look at it as substitution.

u = cosx and v = siny

d/dx u v = uv' + vu'

so

d/dx cosx*siny = cosx*d/dx(siny) + siny*d/dx(cosx)

Try showing what the derivative of d/dx(x*cosx) is.
 
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  • #32
isnt the derivative of cos sin and sin cos
 
  • #33
so does it look like this cos x/ cosy + siny /sin x

the bottoms are derivatives
 
  • #34
In words, this means take the derivative of sine with respect to y (where the implicit differentiation comes in) and multiply it by cosine, then add the derivative of cosine multiplied by sine.

You keep throwing out equations without having any mathematical reason for getting there, which will definitely not get you to the answer. Now, I understand you are desperate, but you got to stop flailing and just think about it. I have given you everything you need, the rest is up to you.
 
  • #35
Okay, do you KNOW what the product rule and chain rule are?

Do you know what the derivative of sin(x)cos(x) is?

Do you know how to find the derivative of y if x+ y= 1 and y is a function of x?

In other words, let's find out what you do know before we start making suggestions!

(Oh, and the answer to
afcwestwarrior said:
isnt the derivative of cos sin and sin cos
is "NO!")

I strongly recommend that you go back and review your basic differentiation laws.
 
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