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here's what i did

d/dx 4 cosx sin y)= 1 d/dx

4sinx cosy=0

y'= 4 sinx cosy

but the answer is tan x tan y

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here's what i did

d/dx 4 cosx sin y)= 1 d/dx

4sinx cosy=0

y'= 4 sinx cosy

but the answer is tan x tan y

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do ihave to use the power rule and the chain rule in this problem

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well what do i have to do may u show me the steps or correct me,

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ok ill try it out

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is this right or am i wrong with the product rule of this

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then i got 4 sin X + sin x * cos y dy/dx

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wheres the help man

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is this right or am i wrong with the product rule of this

No, this doesn't look right. If you are going to include the 4 in the product rule, you will have to apply it twice since that way you technically have three terms.

then i got 4 sin X + sin x * cos y dy/dx

In the second term why did the cosx turn into a sinx? You already took the derivative of that in the first term, so the rule says you leave it alone in the second.

OK

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so like this ( d/dx cos X + sin X d/dx) sin y dy/dx

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I mean 4 sin X + cos X * siny dy/dx

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then i change it to sin y dy/dx= -4 sin x / cos x

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sin y dy/dx= -4cos - sin x

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so 4 = 0 right because the rule says d/dx (C) =0

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so then this is sin y dy/dx= cos - sin x

then its dy/dx= cos- sin x/ sin y

then its dy/dx= cos- sin x/ sin y

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do i have to use the quotient rule on this part

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I think that you are misunderstanding the product rule. Firstly, since 4 is a constant, you can take it out of the situation. So

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}4cosxsiny[/tex] = [tex] 4 \frac{d}{dx}cosxsiny[/tex]

Now, the product rule is [tex] \frac{d}{dx}[f(x)g(x)]=f(x)g'(x) + g(x)f'(x) [/tex] I can demonstrate the proof if you wish but I won't clutter up the post unnecesarily.

__I am still editing this, but I see that you are still posting.. PLEASE use the edit button..... I am still editing this post so check back in a few minutes...__

Okay, anyways... So I will do an example problem and show you how to do it.

Let me explain implicit differentiation for you. When you are differentiating terms involving x alone, you can differentiate as usual. However, when you differentiate terms involving y, you must apply the Chain Rule, because you are assuming that y is defined implicitly as a differentiable function of x.

Lets say the problem was:

find dy/dx given that [tex]y^{3}+y^{2}-5y-x^{2}=-4[/tex]

Solution:

1.Differentiate both sides of the equation with respect to x.

[tex] \frac{d}{dx}[y^{3}+y^{2}-5y-x^{2}]=\frac{d}{dx}[-4] [/tex]

[tex] \frac{d}{dx}[y^{3}] + \frac{d}{dx}[y^{2}] - \frac{d}{dx}[5y] - \frac{d}{dx}[x^{2}] = \frac{d}{dx}[-4][/tex]

[tex]3y^{2}\frac{dy}{dx}+2y\frac{dy}{dx}-5\frac{dy}{dx}-2x=0[/tex] (chain rule)

2. Collect the dy/dx terms on the left side of the equation.

[tex]3y^{2}\frac{dy}{dx}+2y\frac{dy}{dx}-5\frac{dy}{dx}=2x[/tex]

3.Factor dy/dx out of the left side of the equation

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}(3y^{2}+2y-5)=2x[/tex]

4.Solve for dy/dx by dividing by [tex]3y^{2}+2y-5[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{2x}{3y^{2}+2y-5}[/tex]

There ya go... Do you understand now?

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}4cosxsiny[/tex] = [tex] 4 \frac{d}{dx}cosxsiny[/tex]

Now, the product rule is [tex] \frac{d}{dx}[f(x)g(x)]=f(x)g'(x) + g(x)f'(x) [/tex] I can demonstrate the proof if you wish but I won't clutter up the post unnecesarily.

Okay, anyways... So I will do an example problem and show you how to do it.

Let me explain implicit differentiation for you. When you are differentiating terms involving x alone, you can differentiate as usual. However, when you differentiate terms involving y, you must apply the Chain Rule, because you are assuming that y is defined implicitly as a differentiable function of x.

Lets say the problem was:

find dy/dx given that [tex]y^{3}+y^{2}-5y-x^{2}=-4[/tex]

Solution:

1.Differentiate both sides of the equation with respect to x.

[tex] \frac{d}{dx}[y^{3}+y^{2}-5y-x^{2}]=\frac{d}{dx}[-4] [/tex]

[tex] \frac{d}{dx}[y^{3}] + \frac{d}{dx}[y^{2}] - \frac{d}{dx}[5y] - \frac{d}{dx}[x^{2}] = \frac{d}{dx}[-4][/tex]

[tex]3y^{2}\frac{dy}{dx}+2y\frac{dy}{dx}-5\frac{dy}{dx}-2x=0[/tex] (chain rule)

2. Collect the dy/dx terms on the left side of the equation.

[tex]3y^{2}\frac{dy}{dx}+2y\frac{dy}{dx}-5\frac{dy}{dx}=2x[/tex]

3.Factor dy/dx out of the left side of the equation

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}(3y^{2}+2y-5)=2x[/tex]

4.Solve for dy/dx by dividing by [tex]3y^{2}+2y-5[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{2x}{3y^{2}+2y-5}[/tex]

There ya go... Do you understand now?

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ok can u demonstrate it too me

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which equals cos x (cos y dy/dx) + siny d /dx (sin X)

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Ok, I don't really see where you are getting the dy/dx in the first post... Can you explain it to me? You have d/dx in front of siny, so you haven't differentiated it yet, why do you have dy/dx there?

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then i did this - cos x/ sin y - sin x/ cos y = tan x tan y

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I think that you are misunderstanding the product rule. Firstly, since 4 is a constant, you can take it out of the situation. So

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}4cosxsiny[/tex] = [/tex] 4 \frac{d}{dx}cosxsiny[/tex]

Now, the product rule is [tex] \frac{d}{dx}[f(x)g(x)]=f(x)g'(x) + g(x)f'(x) [/tex] I can demonstrate the proof if you wish but I won't clutter up the post unnecesarily.

I am still editing this, but I see that you are still posting.. PLEASE use the edit button..... I am still editing this post so check back in a few minutes...

Okay, anyways... So I will do an example problem and show you how to do it.

Let me explain implicit differentiation for you. When you are differentiating terms involving x alone, you can differentiate as usual. However, when you differentiate terms involving y, you must apply the Chain Rule, because you are assuming that y is defined implicitly as a differentiable function of x.

Lets say the problem was:

find [tex] \frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] given that [tex]y^{3}+y^{2}-5^{y}-x^{2}=-4[/tex]

Solution:

1.Differentiate both sides of the equation with respect to x.

[tex] \frac{d}{dx}[y^{3}+y^{2}-5y-x^{2}]=\frac{d}{dx}[-4] [/tex]

[tex] \frac{d}{dx}[y^{3}] + \frac{d}{dx}[y^{2}] - \frac{d}{dx}[5y] - \frac{d}{dx}[x^{2}] = \frac{d}{dx}[-4][/tex]

[tex]3y^{2}\frac{dy}{dx}+2y\frac{dy}{dx}-5\frac{dy}{dx}-2x=0[/tex] (chain rule)

2. Collect the dy/dx terms on the left side of the equation.

[tex]3y^{2}\frac{dy}{dx}+2y\frac{dy}{dx}-5\frac{dy}{dx}=2x[/tex]

3.Factor dy/dx out of the left side of the equation

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}(3y^{2}+2y-5)=2x[/tex]

4.Solve for dy/dx by dividing by [tex]3y^{2}+2y-5[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{2x}{3y^{2}+2y-5}[/tex]

There ya go... Do you understand now?

i understand that ok so i do this

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d/dx 4 * d/dx cos X * d/dx sin y = d/dx (1)

d/dx 0 * d/dx sin x * d/dx cos y =0

then d/dx( sinx * cosy= 0

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then i did this - cos x/ sin y - sin x/ cos y = tan x tan y

You violated a ton of mathematical rules here, like getting multiplication out of addition.

Remember the product rule is [tex]\frac{d}{dx}u*v = u \frac{d}{dx}v + v \frac{d}{dx}u = uv' + vu'[/tex]

Now just apply this to your implicit differentiation problem where u = cosx and v = siny.

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d/dx 4 * d/dx cos X * d/dx sin y = d/dx (1)

d/dx 0 * d/dx sin x * d/dx cos y =0

then d/dx( sinx * cosy= 0

Firstly, d/dx (4 cos x * sin y)= 1 is not true... (why?)

Secondly, d/dx 4 * d/dx cos X * d/dx sin y = d/dx (1), you are not applying the product rule correctly. Nor the constant multiple rule.

I gotta go but if you want to survive, you have to review... lots. Do you want me to do an example with the product rule before I go?

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cos x (cos y') + sin y (sin X)

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or dy/dx (cos x*cos y' + siny * sin X=0

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Lol, what are you going on about? I am so lost, is this a joke?

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is this right

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Lol, what are you going on about? I am so lost, is this a joke?

ill show u what i did

4 cos sin y =1

d/dx 4 * cos x d/dx sin y + sin y d/dx cos x = d/dx 1

d/dx(cos x * cos y' + sin y sin x)=0

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