Find Fourier coefficients - M. Chester text

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The original poster is studying a problem from an introductory quantum physics text regarding the calculation of Fourier coefficients for a given function. The function in question is defined as \( f(x) = \sqrt{\frac{8}{3L}} \cos^2\left(\frac{\pi}{L} x\right) \), and the task is to find its Fourier coefficients \( C_0 \) and \( C_1 \). The poster has successfully calculated \( C_0 \) but is struggling with \( C_1 \), which they believe should equal \( \frac{1}{\sqrt{6L}} \) according to the text.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate \( C_1 \) by substituting \( f(x) \) into the Fourier coefficient formula and simplifying the integral. They express confusion over their results, which yield complex numbers instead of the expected real value. Some participants question the setup of the integral, suggesting that the form of the exponential term may not be appropriate for the periodicity of the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided feedback on the original poster's approach, indicating that there may be a misunderstanding regarding the definition of the Fourier coefficients. They suggest that the exponential term should reflect the periodic nature of the function, leading to a discussion about the correct form to use. The conversation has prompted the original poster to reconsider their setup and approach.

Contextual Notes

The original poster is self-studying and may be working under constraints related to the specific definitions and forms presented in the textbook. There is an indication that the original poster has not fully reconciled the definitions provided in the text with their calculations.

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Homework Statement


I am self studying an introductory quantum physics text by Marvin Chester Primer of Quantum Mechanics. I am stumped at a problem (1.10) on page 11. We are given

f(x) = \sqrt{ \frac{8}{3L} } cos^2 \left ( \frac {\pi}{L} x \right )

and asked to find its Fourier coefficients C_0 and C_1 from

C_k = \frac{1}{L} \displaystyle {\int_0^L} e^{-ikx} f( x ) dx

I found C_0 = \sqrt{ \frac{2}{3L} }; it was easy as k=0 greatly simplified the integral. But I am completely baffled at an answer for the C_1 coefficient. The text has the answer as \frac{1}{ \sqrt{6L} }, and I do not get anything remotely close that; I keep getting answers with nonzero imaginary parts and \pi in the terms.

Homework Equations



f(x) = \sqrt{ \frac{8}{3L} } cos^2 \left (\frac{\pi}{L} x \right)

C_k = \frac{1}{L} \displaystyle {\int_0^L} e^{-ikx} f( x ) dx

C_1 = \frac{1}{ \sqrt{6L} }

The Attempt at a Solution


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To begin, I substituted f(x) into the equation for C_k for k = 1

C_1 = \frac{1}{L} \displaystyle {\int_0^L e^{-ix} \sqrt{ \frac {8}{3L} }} cos^2 \left ( \frac {\pi}{L} x \right ) dx

Then I factored the constants out of the integral

C_1 = \frac{1}{L} \sqrt{ \frac {8}{3L} } \displaystyle {\int_0^L e^{-ix}} cos^2 \left ( \frac {\pi}{L} x \right ) dx

Then I attempted to solve the integral

\displaystyle {\int_0^L e^{-ix}} cos^2 \left ( \frac {\pi}{L} x \right ) dx

I tried doing it by parts, then I tried by substituting e^{-ix} = cos (x) - i sin (x) and distributing cos^2 \left ( \frac {\pi}{L} x \right ) into that and integrating the result, but I only generated 4 pages of blundering chicken scratch that gave me things like \textstyle {\frac {2i}{3L} \sqrt{ \frac{8}{3L}} }; another attempt led to \textstyle {\frac {1}{\pi} \frac{2i}{3} }. I even went to my TI-89 and the Wolfram website and got an analytical solution to the integral, but the definite integrals they returned gave complex numbers that did NOT look anything like \frac{1}{ \sqrt{6L} }. Can anyone tell me; am I even setting up the integral correctly?
 
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GreyNoise said:
Can anyone tell me; am I even setting up the integral correctly?

Double check your form defining the Fourier coefficents. The ##e^{-ikx}## doesn't have period ##L## for ##k=1##. Shouldn't it be something more like ##e^{-i\frac{2k\pi}{L}x}##? ##e^{-ikx}## is used in the transform over the whole line.
 
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Dick said:
Double check your form defining the Fourier coefficents. The ##e^{-ikx}## doesn't have period ##L## for ##k=1##. Shouldn't it be something more like ##e^{-i\frac{2k\pi}{L}x}##? ##e^{-ikx}## is used in the transform over the whole line.

Thnx much for that Dick! That was the fix I needed. Now it brings to my mind a question about the form of the exponential argument. The author
wrote
$$ C_k = \frac{1}{L} \int_0^L e^{-ikx} f(x) dx $$
and I used the form literally, but now I am concerned that I missed a basic Fourier series concept. The author had written (before the above equation) that
$$ kL = 2 \pi n $$
So the form I should have used would appear as
$$ C_n = \frac{1}{L} \int_0^L e^{-i \frac{2 \pi n}{L} x} f(x) dx $$
where I substituted ## k = \textstyle \frac{2 \pi n}{L} ## in the exponent's argument. Am I correct on this point?
 
GreyNoise said:
Thnx much for that Dick! That was the fix I needed. Now it brings to my mind a question about the form of the exponential argument. The author
wrote
$$ C_k = \frac{1}{L} \int_0^L e^{-ikx} f(x) dx $$
and I used the form literally, but now I am concerned that I missed a basic Fourier series concept. The author had written (before the above equation) that
$$ kL = 2 \pi n $$
So the form I should have used would appear as
$$ C_n = \frac{1}{L} \int_0^L e^{-i \frac{2 \pi n}{L} x} f(x) dx $$
where I substituted ## k = \textstyle \frac{2 \pi n}{L} ## in the exponent's argument. Am I correct on this point?

Not quite, but it depends in part on how you plan to use the ##C_n##.

Basically, it is always easiest to start with an orthonormal set of functions ##\{ u_k(x) \}##, which have the inner-product properties that
## \langle u_j, u_k \rangle = 0 ## if ##k \neq j## and ##\langle u_k,u_k \rangle = 1## for all ##k##. Here, ##\langle \cdot , \cdot \rangle## denotes the inner product for functions on ##[0,L]##:
$$ \langle f,g \rangle = \int_0^L f^*(x) g(x) \, dx, $$
where ##f^*## is the complex congugate of ##f##.

You can easily verify that the functions ##u_k(x) =(1/\sqrt{L}) \: e^{i 2 \pi k x/L}, \; k = 0, \pm 1, \pm 2, \ldots ## constitute an orthonormal set. So, if we expand a function ##f(x)## as
$$f(x) = \sum_{k=-\infty}^{\infty} c_k u_k(x), $$
we get (with almost no work) that the coefficients are
$$c_k = \langle u_k , f \rangle = \int_0^L u^*(x) f(x) \, dx = \frac{1}{\sqrt{L}} \int_0^L e^{-i 2 \pi k x/L} f(x) \; dx.$$

In other words, we can either use the expansion ##\sum c_k u_k## or use the expansion ##\sum_k \sqrt{L} C_k e^{i 2 \pi k x/L}## with your ##C_k## (because ##\text{my} \: c_k = \sqrt{L} \times \text{your} \: C_k##). The factor ##\sqrt{L}## needs to go somewhere, and IMHO it is easier to put it into the definition of the basis functions ##\{ u_k \}##.

Note added in edit: it turns out that what YOU wrote is also correct! You are using expansion functions ##f_k(x) = e^{i 2 \pi x k/L}, \; k = 0, \pm 1, \pm 2, \ldots## and coefficients ##C_k = (1/L) \int_0^L f^*_k(x) f(x) \, dx,##, so your ##k##th term of the expansion has the form
$$\text{term}\; k = \frac{1}{L} \int_0^L f^*_k(t) f(t) \, dt \times f_k(x),$$
and this is the same as the ##k##th term ##c_k u_k(x)## given above.
 
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Sorry for delayed response; thnx are in order; I was away on vacation. Thank you Dick and Ray. The posts got me back on top of the curve (my Fourier forays are ten years ago now), so I committed them to my notes. I might be back for more regarding the M. Chester text I am reading. Thnx again.
 

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