Find indefinite integral function, if definite integral value is know

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of determining an indefinite integral function G(x) given the value of a definite integral S over a specified interval [a, b]. Participants explore the conditions under which this might be feasible, particularly focusing on cases where the indefinite integral cannot be expressed in terms of elementary functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to find G(x) if the definite integral value S, along with limits a and b, are known.
  • Another participant argues that it is not always possible to express G(x) using primitive functions, citing examples such as the normal probability distribution where the cumulative distribution function is defined in terms of the error function, which is not expressible in elementary terms.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether G(x) can be expressed in terms of S, a, and b, along with some unknown, given specific values for a and b.
  • It is noted that while G(1) - G(0) equals S, there may be multiple functions f(x) that yield the same definite integral result, indicating that without additional conditions, f(x) cannot be uniquely determined.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the possibility of determining G(x) uniquely from the given information. There is no consensus on whether additional conditions are necessary to achieve a unique solution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations regarding the expressibility of certain indefinite integrals and the dependence on specific functions and their properties. The uncertainty surrounding the uniqueness of f(x) is also noted.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in mathematics and related fields who are exploring the properties of integrals and the challenges associated with finding indefinite integrals from definite integral values.

jam_27
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Is this possible..

Say, ab f(x)dx = G(x)|x=b - G(x)|x=a = S, where S, a and b are known. Can we find G(x) ?
 
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Not always. There are many cases where f(x) is known quite well, but the indefinite integral G(x) cannot be expressed using primitive functions or combinations of primitive functions. The definite integrals of such functions can nevertheless be computed to high-precision. A commonly encountered example of such a function describes the normal probability distribution:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution

The cdf for the normal probability distribution is given in terms of a special function called the error function, or erf (x) for short. erf (x) cannot be expressed in terms of logs, exponentials, etc., but tables of its values can be computed and used. There are many other examples of such functions, like elliptic functions or Bessel functions, etc.
 
Ok, then, how much can we proceed to? I mean can we write G (x) in terms of S, a and b plus some unknown?
Also, b=1 and a= 0 and S is a constant in my case.
 
jam_27 said:
Ok, then, how much can we proceed to? I mean can we write G (x) in terms of S, a and b plus some unknown?
Also, b=1 and a= 0 and S is a constant in my case.

All you know for certain is that G(1) - G(0) = S. There may be many different functions f(x) the definite integral of which between x = b and x = a will give the same result. Unless you have some further conditions or restrictions, I don't think you can determine f(x) uniquely.
 

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