Find Lambda Baryon Decays Cross Section Ratio

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The discussion centers on the ratio of cross sections for two decay processes involving the Lambda baryon, specifically examining the decay modes Lambda to p pi- and Lambda to n pi0. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, including the CKM matrix and Clebsch-Gordon coefficients, to understand discrepancies between calculated and experimental results.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the cross sections for the two decay processes should be equal based on their similar interaction probabilities and final state densities.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Clebsch-Gordon coefficients, implying their relevance to the decay processes.
  • A later reply discusses the linear combination of states involved in the decay and how Clebsch-Gordon coefficients can be used to find the ratio of branching fractions.
  • Further questions are raised regarding the choice of final states and the role of the initial state in the analysis of the decay processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of Clebsch-Gordon coefficients and the selection of final states in the decay analysis. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these choices on the calculated cross section ratios.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity on the initial state and the assumptions made in the analysis, indicating potential limitations in the current reasoning.

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I've been asked to find the ratio between the cross sections of the two folowing decais:
lamdec.gif


Using the CKM matrix and the feynman diagrams for both decays, I reach the conclusion that the Ratio is exactly 1. However, consulting this document,

http://pdg.lbl.gov/2012/tables/rpp2012-tab-baryons-Lambda.pdf

We clearly see it is not. I do not understand where the problem lies.

My reasoning is the following:
- The decays are exactly the same, except for the final arrangement of the quarks
- Since the vertices are the same, the probability of each interaction is the same in both cases.
- Since the probabilities are the same, the interaction rates are the same.
- Since the mass of the products is roughly equal in both cases, the density of final states is the same
- The cross section is the same.
 
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Two words: Clebsch-Gordon
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Two words: Clebsch-Gordon
Are you talking about the fact that the neutral pion is in fact a superposition of two mesons? I thought about that, but I do not understand how I can insert that into Fermi's golden rule and obtain the experimental result.
 
Ok, after searching for a couple hours I think I found it:

We have a final state with I=1/2 and I3=-1/2. This state is a linear combination of |n, pi0)=|1/2,-1/2)x|1,0) and |p, pi-)=|1/2,1/2)x|1,-1). Therefore, to find the ratio between branches we just need to find a ratio between the coefficients of the linear combination which are the Clebsch-Gordan coefficients.

Is that it?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Two words: Clebsch-Gordon
Clebsch-Gordan
 
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Got me on that one!
 
Xylios said:
Is that it?
Yes, provided you know what all that has to do with the weak decay. Once you “choose” the final state, |N \pi \rangle, to be |1/2 , -1/2\rangle, you are done: The Clebsch-Gordan expansion gives you
| p \pi^{-} \rangle = \sqrt{1/3} \ | \frac{3}{2} , - \frac{1}{2} \rangle - \sqrt{2/3} \ |\frac{1}{2} , - \frac{1}{2} \rangle ,
|n \pi^{0} \rangle = \sqrt{2/3} \ | \frac{3}{2} , - \frac{1}{2} \rangle + \sqrt{1/3} \ |\frac{1}{2} , - \frac{1}{2} \rangle .
Solving these for “the final state”, you get
|\frac{1}{2} , -\frac{1}{2} \rangle = -\sqrt{2/3} \ |p \pi^{-} \rangle + \sqrt{1/3} \ |n \pi^{0} \rangle .
From this you obtain the result
\frac{\sigma \left( \Lambda \to p\pi^{-}\right)}{\sigma \left( \Lambda \to n\pi^{0}\right)} = \frac{(-\sqrt{2/3})^{2}}{(\sqrt{1/3})^{2}} = 2 , which agrees with the experimental data very well.
Okay, now here are my questions to you:
1) In the final state |N\pi \rangle, the nucleon has I_{N}=\vec{1/2} and the pion has I_{\pi} = \vec{1}. Therefore, the final state must have I_{N\pi} = \vec{3/2} or \vec{1/2}. So, what made you “choose” |\frac{1}{2} , -\frac{1}{2} \rangle to be the final state? What is wrong with the state |\frac{3}{2} , -\frac{1}{2} \rangle?
2) Closely related to (1) is the question about the initial state |\Lambda \rangle, which we know it is an iso-singlet |0 , 0\rangle: In order to find \sigma (\Lambda \to N\pi), we need to evaluate the matrix elements T(\Lambda \to N\pi) = \langle N \pi | \mathcal{H}^{|\Delta S| = 1}| \Lambda \rangle , where \mathcal{H}^{|\Delta S| = 1} is the low energy (non-leptonic) weak Hamiltonian. So, where is the initial state in the above mentioned analysis? Why was there no mention of the initial state |\Lambda \rangle?
If you know the answers to those questions, you are okay. Otherwise, you will have to ask better questions.
 
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