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The discussion revolves around finding the largest value of \( a \) such that the quadratic polynomials \( f_1(x) = x^2 + (a-29)x - a \) and \( f_2(x) = 2x^2 + (2a-43)x + a \) are both factors of a cubic polynomial \( g(x) \). The conversation includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of different cases for \( a \).

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if both quadratic polynomials divide the cubic polynomial, they must share a common factor, leading to the conclusion that \( a = 30 \).
  • Others argue that the possibility of \( a = 0 \) should also be considered, as it leads to a valid factorization of \( g(x) \) as \( g(x) = x(x-29)(2x-43) \).
  • A participant confirms that both \( a = 0 \) and \( a = 30 \) are valid, thus suggesting that the largest value of \( a \) is indeed 30.
  • There is a mention of a calculation confirming \( a = 30 \) through coefficient comparison, but the discussion remains open to the interpretation of the largest value.

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Participants generally agree that \( a = 30 \) is the largest value found, but there is acknowledgment of the existence of another possible value, \( a = 0 \), leading to a lack of consensus on whether only one value can be considered the largest.

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The discussion does not resolve the implications of the different values of \( a \) in terms of their significance or the completeness of the factorization of \( g(x) \). There is also an implicit assumption regarding the nature of the cubic polynomial \( g(x) \) that is not explicitly stated.

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The polynomial $g(x)$ is cubic. What is the largest value of $a$ if $f_1(x)=x^2+(a-29)x-a$ and $f_2(x)=2x^2+(2a-43)x+a$ are both factors of $g(x)$?
 
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anemone said:
The polynomial $g(x)$ is cubic. What is the largest value of $a$ if $f_1(x)=x^2+(a-29)x-a$ and $f_2(x)=2x^2+(2a-43)x+a$ are both factors of $g(x)$?
[sp]If the quadratic polynomials $f_1(x)$ and $f_2(x)$ both divide the cubic polynomial $g(x)$ then they must have a factor in common. Any common factor of $f_1(x)$ and $f_2(x)$ must also be a factor of $2f_1(x) - f_2(x) = -15\bigl(x+\frac15a\bigr)$. Therefore $f_1(x) = x^2+(a-29)x-a = \bigl(x+\frac15a\bigr)(x-5)$ (the second factor has to be $x-5$ in order to make the constant term equal to $a$). Compare the coefficients of $x$ to see that $a-29 = \frac15a - 5$, from which $a=30$.

A similar calculation using $f_2(x)$ instead of $f_1(x)$ confirms the solution $a=30$.

I hope I am not missing something here. The question asks for the largest value of $a$, but as far as I can see there is only the one possible value for $a$.

Edit. The thing I was missing is the possibility that $a=0$. Then the common factor is $x$, so that $f_1(x) = x(x-29)$, $f_2(x) = x(2x-43)$, and $g(x) = x(x-29)(2x-43)$. So $a=30$ is in fact the "largest" value of $a$.[/sp]
 
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Opalg said:
[sp]If the quadratic polynomials $f_1(x)$ and $f_2(x)$ both divide the cubic polynomial $g(x)$ then they must have a factor in common. Any common factor of $f_1(x)$ and $f_2(x)$ must also be a factor of $2f_1(x) - f_2(x) = -15\bigl(x+\frac15a\bigr)$. Therefore $f_1(x) = x^2+(a-29)x-a = \bigl(x+\frac15a\bigr)(x-5)$ (the second factor has to be $x-5$ in order to make the constant term equal to $a$). Compare the coefficients of $x$ to see that $a-29 = \frac15a - 5$, from which $a=30$.

A similar calculation using $f_2(x)$ instead of $f_1(x)$ confirms the solution $a=30$.

I hope I am not missing something here. The question asks for the largest value of $a$, but as far as I can see there is only the one possible value for $a$.[/sp]

Thanks for participating, Opalg!:)

Hmm, I can't see anything incomplete in your solution but I got two values of $a$, one is 0 and the other one is 30 and hence the largest $a$ would be 30.

Edit: I didn't realize you have already edited your post mentioned that you have found the missing case. :o

BTW, here is my solution:
Let $k$ be the common root of the two quadratic equations $f_1(x)=x^2+(a-29)x-a$ and $f_2(x)=2x^2+(2a-43)x+a$ to the polynomial $g(x)$.

By substituting $x=k$ into these two quadratic equations we get:

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 500"]
[TR]
[TD]$f_1(k)=k^2+(a-29)k-a=0$[/TD]
[TD]$f_2(k)=2k^2+(2a-43)k+a=0$[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]$k^2+(a-29)k-a=0$[/TD]
[TD]$2k^2+(2a-43)k+a=0$---(2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]$2k^2+2(a-29)k-2a=0$---(1)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Now, subtract equation (2) from equation (3) and solve for $a$, we get

$(2k^2+2(a-29)k-2a)-(2k^2+(2a-43)k+a)=0$

$a=-5k$

Back substitute $x=k$ and $a=-5k$ into the quadratic equation of $f_1$ and $f_2$ respectively gives

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 500"]
[TR]
[TD]$f_1(k)=k^2+(-5k-29)k+5k=0$[/TD]
[TD]$f_2(k)=2k^2+(2(-5k)-43)k-5k=0$[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]$k^2-5k^2-29k+5k=0$

$-4k^2-24k=0$

$k(k+6)=0$

$k=0$ or $k=-6$[/TD]
[TD]$2k^2-10k^2-43k-5k=0$

$-8k^2-48k=0$

$k(k+6)=0$

$k=0$ or $k=-6$[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

So, the largest value of $a$ must go with the smallest negative value of $k$, i.e. $a_{\text{largest}}=-5(-6)=30$.
 
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Re: Find the largest "a"

1) $f1(x) and f2(x)$ must have a common factor. Otherwise g(x) shall be product of $ f1(x) and f2(x)$ and order 4
let $f1(x) = (x-m)(x-p)$
and let $f2(x) = 2(x-m)(x-q)$
comparing constant term
of f1(x) = mp = - a and 2 mq = a we get p = - 2q or m = 0 => a = 0
then taking the product and comparing coefficient of x
we get m+p = 29-a ...(1)
m – q = (43-2a)/2
or 2m – p = 43 – 2a ... (2)
solving (1) and (2) 3 m = (72-3a) or m = 24 – a
so p = 2m + 2a – 43 = 48 – 43 = 5
now - a = mp = 5(24-a) or 4a = 120 or a= 30 hence a = 30 is largest
 
Re: Find the largest "a"

kaliprasad said:
1) $f1(x) and f2(x)$ must have a common factor. Otherwise g(x) shall be product of $ f1(x) and f2(x)$ and order 4
let $f1(x) = (x-m)(x-p)$
and let $f2(x) = 2(x-m)(x-q)$
comparing constant term
of f1(x) = mp = - a and 2 mq = a we get p = - 2q or m = 0 => a = 0
then taking the product and comparing coefficient of x
we get m+p = 29-a ...(1)
m – q = (43-2a)/2
or 2m – p = 43 – 2a ... (2)
solving (1) and (2) 3 m = (72-3a) or m = 24 – a
so p = 2m + 2a – 43 = 48 – 43 = 5
now - a = mp = 5(24-a) or 4a = 120 or a= 30 hence a = 30 is largest

Thanks for participating, kaliprasad and your answer is correct as well!

Note that you can make subscript 1 and 2 to distinguish the function of $f$ in latex as shown in the example below:

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 500"]
[TR]
[TD]f_1[/TD]
[TD]$f_1$[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 

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