Find Left Cosets of Subgroup in $\mathbb{Z}_{15}, D_4$

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The discussion revolves around finding left cosets of specific subgroups in the groups $\mathbb{Z}_{15}$ and $D_4$. Participants explore the definitions and calculations involved in determining these cosets, addressing both additive and multiplicative group operations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over finding too many left cosets for the subgroup $\{[0], [5], [10]\} \le \mathbb{Z}_{15}$, initially counting elements instead of distinct cosets.
  • Another participant clarifies that the correct notation for cosets in $\mathbb{Z}_{15}$ is $g + H$ and provides an example of calculating the coset for $g = [1]$, resulting in $\{[1], [6], [11]\}$.
  • A later reply confirms that there are indeed five distinct cosets for the subgroup in $\mathbb{Z}_{15}$, listing them explicitly.
  • Participants discuss the definition of $D_4$ and its elements, noting a potential clash of notation with $D_6$ and suggesting a structure for $D_4$ that includes both rotations and reflections.
  • One participant proposes that using $g = e$ yields the first coset as $\{e, y, y^2, y^3\}$ and using $g = z$ gives another coset, $\{z, zy, zy^2, zy^3\}$.
  • Lagrange's theorem is mentioned, indicating that the number of left cosets for $D_4$ is $|G|/|H| = 8/4 = 2$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculations for the left cosets in $\mathbb{Z}_{15}$ and the structure of $D_4$, but there are nuances in notation and definitions that remain contested.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the notation used for elements in $D_4$ and how it relates to other dihedral groups, which may affect clarity in communication.

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How do I find the left cosets of:

$(a)$ $\left\{ [0], [5], [10] \right\} \le \mathbb{Z}_{15}$ ($\mathbb{Z}_n$ is additive group modulo $n$).

$(b)$ $\left\{e, y, y^2, y^3 \right\} \le D_4$ where $y$ denotes rotation of a square.

The not equal to here denotes subgroup. The trouble I've with the first one is that I'm finding too many left cosets. The definition of left cosets is $\left\{gh: g \in G, h \in H\right\}$. In this case if I let $h = 0$ and vary $g$ through $0$ to $14$ then my set contains fifteen members. Well, that can't right surely? I think there's a theorem that says my subgroup can only have five left cosets (not too sure if that's right).
 
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NoName said:
How do I find the left cosets of:

$(a)$ $\left\{ [0], [5], [10] \right\} \le \mathbb{Z}_{15}$ ($\mathbb{Z}_n$ is additive group modulo $n$).

$(a)$ $\left\{e, y, y^2, y^3 \right\} \le D_4$ where $y$ denotes rotation of a square.

The not equal to here denotes subgroup. The trouble I've with the first one is that I'm finding too many left cosets. The definition of left cosets is $\left\{gh: g \in G, h \in H\right\}$. In this case if I let $h = 0$ and vary $g$ through $0$ to $14$ then my set contains fifteen members. Well, that can't right surely? I think there's a theorem that says my subgroup can only have five left cosets (not too sure if that's right).
In $(a)$, the group operation in $\mathbb{Z}_n$ is additive, so it is usual to use the notation $g+H$ rather than $gH$ for the cosets. If for example the group is $\mathbb{Z}_{15}$, the subgroup is $H = \left\{ [0], [5], [10] \right\}$ and we take $g$ to be the element $[1]$, then the coset $[1] + H$ consists of the elements $[1]+[0]$, $[1]+[5]$ and $[1]+[10].$ That gives you the coset $\left\{ [1], [6], [11] \right\}.$ If you carry on like that, you will find that there are indeed five cosets (each consisting of three elements).
 
Opalg said:
In $(a)$, the group operation in $\mathbb{Z}_n$ is additive, so it is usual to use the notation $g+H$ rather than $gH$ for the cosets. If for example the group is $\mathbb{Z}_{15}$, the subgroup is $H = \left\{ [0], [5], [10] \right\}$ and we take $g$ to be the element $[1]$, then the coset $[1] + H$ consists of the elements $[1]+[0]$, $[1]+[5]$ and $[1]+[10].$ That gives you the coset $\left\{ [1], [6], [11] \right\}.$ If you carry on like that, you will find that there are indeed five cosets (each consisting of three elements).
Thank you. I was counting the elements of the cosets, not cosets. I have now found that:

$g+H = \left\{ \left\{[0], [5], [10]\right\}, \left\{[1], [6], [11]\right\}, \left\{[2], [7], [12]\right\}, \left\{[3], [8], [13]\right\}, \left\{[4], [9], [14]\right\} \right\}.$

Regarding $(2)$ is it possible to define $D_4$ the way $D_6$ is defined in here i.e. $D_6 = \left\{x^i, yx^i: 0 \le i \le 5 \right\}$?
 
NoName said:
Thank you. I was counting the elements of the cosets, not cosets. I have now found that:

$g+H = \left\{ \left\{[0], [5], [10]\right\}, \left\{[1], [6], [11]\right\}, \left\{[2], [7], [12]\right\}, \left\{[3], [8], [13]\right\}, \left\{[4], [9], [14]\right\} \right\}.$
Correct. (Yes)

NoName said:
Regarding $(2)$ is it possible to define $D_4$ the way $D_6$ is defined in here i.e. $D_6 = \left\{x^i, yx^i: 0 \le i \le 5 \right\}$?
Yes, except that there is a clash of notation. The $y$ in your $D_4$ corresponds to the $x$ in Wolfram's $D_6$. So your $D_4$ should consist of elements $e,\,y,\,y^2,\,y^3,\,z,\,zy,\,zy^2,\,zy^3$, satisfying the relation $yz = zy^3.$

If you are viewing the group as symmetries of a square then $y$ represents a rotation of $90^\circ$ and $z$ represents reflection in a line joining the midpoints of two opposite edges.
 
Opalg said:
Correct. (Yes)Yes, except that there is a clash of notation. The $y$ in your $D_4$ corresponds to the $x$ in Wolfram's $D_6$. So your $D_4$ should consist of elements $e,\,y,\,y^2,\,y^3,\,z,\,zy,\,zy^2,\,zy^3$, satisfying the relation $yz = zy^3.$

If you are viewing the group as symmetries of a square then $y$ represents a rotation of $90^\circ$ and $z$ represents reflection in a line joining the midpoints of two opposite edges.
Thanks again!

I think in finding $gH$ letting $g = e$ we find the first coset $\left\{e, y, y^2, y^3\right\}$ and letting $g = z$ we get $\left\{z, zy, zy^2, zy^3\right\} =\left\{z, y^3z, y^2z, yz\right\}. $

Lagrange's theorem says that the number of left cosets is exactly $|G|/|H|$ which is $8/4 = 2$ here so there are none more to find.
 
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