Find Linear Optoisolator for Measuring Voltage 0-3 Vac

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The discussion revolves around finding a suitable linear optoisolator for measuring AC voltage in the range of 0-3 Vac, with a focus on isolation methods for interfacing with a microcontroller (MCU). Participants explore various approaches, including the use of optocouplers, isolation transformers, and ADCs, while addressing concerns about signal integrity and measurement accuracy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests digitizing the voltage signal before transmission to maintain linearity and proper operating conditions, noting potential speed limitations of traditional optoisolators.
  • Another participant confirms the use of an ADC for measuring a 60 Hz sine wave, proposing that sampling every millisecond could be feasible with the right components.
  • Concerns are raised about the availability and cost of optocouplers and isolation transformers in certain regions.
  • Some participants discuss the possibility of using op-amp buffers or differential amplifiers as alternatives for isolation, questioning their effectiveness compared to optoisolators.
  • A participant mentions the need for 100% isolation between high voltage AC and the MCU, suggesting methods for processing the AC signal, including diode bridges and RMS to DC converters.
  • Further analysis of the voltage signal, such as voltage sag and total harmonic distortion, is highlighted as a requirement, raising questions about the accuracy of converting the signal to pulses for analysis.
  • References to specific components, such as the Analog Devices AD654 voltage-to-frequency converter, are provided, with inquiries about their suitability for AC signals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the best method for isolating and measuring the AC voltage, with no consensus reached on a single approach. Multiple competing views remain regarding the use of optoisolators, transformers, and alternative amplification methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to the speed and linearity of optoisolators, the complexity of using external ADCs, and the challenges of accurately analyzing AC waveforms when converting to pulse signals.

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Which linear optoisolator should I find, when I am want to measure voltage.

I want to isolate this voltage and transfer it to a MCU(linearly). This measure voltage has a range from 0 -3 Vac.
 
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If it's possible, I'd recommend digitizing the information first and then transmitting the binary signal over the optoisolated / galvanically isolated link.

You'll have troubles enough maintaining linearity and proper operating conditions, especially and may have even more trouble keeping up with the signal, depending on how fast it changes (in my experience, most optos are fairly slow and have response times measured in 10s of microseconds, if not milliseconds)
 
you mean using an ADC then only to the isolation optocoupler?

I need to measure a sine wave of 60hz.
 
That's correct. That or use an isolation transformer to bring the signal across the gap.

Given that it's only 60 Hz, you could probably sample and send back every millisecond with appropriately chosen higher-speed optoisolator and ADC. Galvanic isolators (ones that use inductive coupling) are generally much faster (although a little pricier), so you may want to consider them as well.
 
I am living in M'sia thus find it hard and expensive get this special parts.
 
Okay,tq.

I don't really know how a isolation transformer. Can you kick-start me?
 
I think a transformer is too big.

and the optocouplers are abit pricey tto buy online from my place.

Using just a op-amp buffer is not appreaciated?
 
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Thanks bob for the informative link.

I am using an MCU to measure voltages of 240Vac dropped to around 2.4Vac via a voltage divider resistor circuit.

Thus for safety and line noise I need an isolation to send signals to the ADC of MCU. I know using an external ADC is better, but I have yet to learn to use an external ADC.
 
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I agree that you need 100% isolation between the 240V ac and the MCU. The first thing you need to consider is how to process the 60-Hz ac signal. You obviously don't want to digitize the ac signal directly, unless you do it at say 3000 Hz to get the full waveform. So you either want to use a diode bridge with a RC integrating circuit (RC ≈ 2 seconds) to get a good dc average, or use a special RMS to DC converter chip to get a RMS value. This Linear Technology app note discusses an isolated RMS measuring circuit. http://cds.linear.com/docs/Application%20Note/an106f.pdf
I have seen many circuits that produce pulses with the output frequency proportional to the input dc voltage (voltage to frequency converters). The optocoupler can receive the pulses (example, 240 Hz for 240 V ac), and your MCU would have to count the pulses in a defined time interval, and convert back to voltage.

Bob S
 
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I need to do further analysis on the voltage itself like voltage sag, total harmonic distortions..etc. I think I might need to plot out the sine wave and further maths on it.

If I convert it to pulses with different frequencies, can I still do it accurately?
 
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It looks versalite.

But doesn't look good for AC, and is the information about the frequency of the voltages intact or only amplitude can be calculated?
 

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