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The discussion revolves around finding the mass center of a composite body in a homework problem. Participants explore the equations involved, particularly focusing on the interpretation of terms related to the mass and center of mass of the components before and after deformation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the equation used for the mass center, questioning why it is represented as 2pALx instead of (5/2)pALx, suggesting a misunderstanding of the problem's context.
  • Another participant provides a definition of the center of mass for composite objects, explaining how to approach the equation by considering the mass and center of mass positions of each component relative to a common origin.
  • A later reply reiterates the initial confusion about the left side of the equation, again questioning the use of 2pALx in the context of the deformed configuration.
  • One participant clarifies that the left side refers to the total mass, indicating that the total mass remains unchanged by deformation, and suggests that calculating the mass after deformation would yield the same total mass expression.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the equations, with ongoing confusion about the correct representation of the mass center in relation to deformation. Multiple viewpoints are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and interpretations of mass and center of mass in the context of deformation, as well as the specific components involved in the problem.

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I don't get the first equation. Why is it 2pALx on the left side? Aren't we finding the mass center of the second shorter body? So shouldn't it then be (5/2)pALx? On the right side, I know pAL(L/2) is the mass center of the orange part on the left, but where did pAL(5L/4) come from? It seems like the 5L/4 is the mass center of the deformed total body, so I'm confused then why it seems to add over it twice. Any clear explanation would be appreciated, I'm obviously very confused about this.
 

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For a composite object the center of mass [itex]\overline{x}[/itex] can be defined [1] as

[tex]m \overline{x} = \sum_i m_i x_i[/tex]

where m is the total mass, and xi and mi is the CM position and mass of each component.

In the solution you refer to, the left and right hand side corresponds to the left and right side of the equation above, so you should be able to figure out each term by thinking about how to write up the total mass, the mass and CM position of the orange component and white component. For positions note that it is the position of the CM for that component relative to the common origin. In your case the origin is the left end of the orange component so the position of CM of the white component must "include" the length of the orange component.


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_of_mass
 
I get it better now thanks. One more question, why is the left side 2pALx? I thought the question is asking about the deformed configuration, so shouldn't the left side be (5/2)pALx? Thanks again.
 
The mass on the left hand side refers to the total mass and since deformation does not change the total mass of the rod you can just as well calculate the mass from before deformation. If you were to calculate the mass after deformation (for instance by calculating the new density of the white component after deformation and sum up for the mass for the two components) you would end up with the same expression for the total mass.
 

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