Find Maximum Angle: Ball Hitting Pendulum String

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The problem involves a ball with mass m striking another ball with mass 3m, which is hanging from a string, and determining the maximum angle at which the pendulum swings after the collision. The context includes concepts from momentum conservation and energy conservation.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to solve the problem using momentum conservation and energy conservation principles, expressing concern about the accuracy of their calculations.
  • Some participants suggest using energy conservation directly, noting that the block's kinetic energy becomes zero at the maximum angle.
  • There is a discussion about the kinetic energy being shared between the two balls and whether the original poster's calculations are correct.
  • One participant questions the formulation of the velocity equation derived from momentum conservation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of energy conservation, and there is a recognition of the complexity introduced by the interaction between the two balls.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses urgency due to a limited number of attempts allowed for the problem, indicating a constraint on their ability to revise their solution.

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Homework Statement


A ball with mass m with an initial velocity of 5 m/s strikes a ball with a mass of 3m hanging at rest from a string 50 cm long. Find the maximum angle(x) with which the block swings after its hit.


Homework Equations


k=1/2mv^2
p=mv


The Attempt at a Solution


Well first I solved the momentum

mAvA1+mBvB1=mAvA2+mBvB2

to get vB2=5-vA2

Then I used conservation of energy to get

[tex]sqrt {25 - v_{A2}/3} [\tex]<br /> <br /> I solved the two equations for vB2 and got 3.53 m/s<br /> <br /> So, since the kinetic energy from the start of the mass on the pendelum moving to its peak is h=(.5-.5cosx)<br /> <br /> 1/2m(vB2^2)=mg(.5-.5cosx)<br /> <br /> I solved for the angle and got 50.2 degrees. <br /> <br /> Anyone see anything wrong with my math or my logic? I can only attempt the problem one more time before the program gives me no credit.[/tex]
 
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Couldn't you just use energy conservation, since the block's kinetic energy at the maximal angle equals zero? It posesses only potential energy at that point, and at the impact point, there is only kinetic energy from the ball.
 
radou said:
Couldn't you just use energy conservation, since the block's kinetic energy at the maximal angle equals zero? It posesses only potential energy at that point, and at the impact point, there is only kinetic energy from the ball.

The other ball carries away some of the kinetic energy. I think he's doing it right. I haven't checked the answer though.
 
Dick said:
The other ball carries away some of the kinetic energy. I think he's doing it right. I haven't checked the answer though.

Good point, so after reconsidering...

robbondo said:
Well first I solved the momentum

mAvA1+mBvB1=mAvA2+mBvB2

to get vB2=5-vA2

...shouldn't this be VB2 = (5 - VA2)/3 ?
 

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