Find min velocity so that particle grazes the shell

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To find the minimum initial velocity required for a charged particle to graze a uniformly charged spherical shell, the conservation of energy and angular momentum principles are crucial. The initial attempt incorrectly assumed the particle's velocity would be zero at the shell's surface. By applying angular momentum conservation, the relationship between initial and final velocities was established, leading to the conclusion that the minimum velocity is 2√(2/3) m/s. The discussion emphasized the importance of not skipping steps in calculations for clarity. The final answer aligns with the correct application of physical principles.
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Homework Statement


A particle of mass 1 kg and charge 1/3 μC is projected towards a non conducting fixed spherical shell having the same charge uniformly distributed on its surface. Find the minimum initial velocity of projection required if the particle just grazes the shell.
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a)\sqrt{\frac{2}{3}}
b)2\sqrt{\frac{2}{3}}
c)\frac{2}{3}
d)none

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


Since the charge is uniformly distributed over the shell, the potential at any point on the surface or inside the shell is KQ/R, where R is the radius. Therefore,
\frac{1}{2}mu^2=\frac{KQq}{R}
where u is the initial velocity and Q and q are the charges of shell and particle respectively. Plugging the values, i get
u=\sqrt{2}

But this is wrong, please help me proceed in the right direction.
 
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The velocity of the charged particle (strange particle it is, with 1 kg mass:smile:) need not be zero at the surface of the sphere: remember that not only the energy conserves in a central field but the angular momentum, too.

ehild
 
ehild said:
The velocity of the charged particle (strange particle it is, with 1 kg mass:smile:) need not be zero at the surface of the sphere: remember that not only the energy conserves in a central field but the angular momentum, too.

ehild

Why can't we assume that velocity becomes zero at the surface as we need to find the minimum velocity?
About what point we will conserve angular momentum?
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Why can't we assume that velocity becomes zero at the surface as we need to find the minimum velocity?

As the angular momentum must be conserved.

Pranav-Arora said:
About what point we will conserve angular momentum?

About the centre of the sphere, of course. It is a central force field! ehild
 
ehild said:
As the angular momentum must be conserved.
I think i need to clear my concepts about angular momentum and central forces.

About the centre of the sphere, of course. It is a central force field!

Thanks, i think i have got the answer. :smile:
Conserving angular momentum, i get:
Vf=V/2

Vf is final velocity and V is the initial velocity.
Using conservation of Energy
\frac{1}{2}mV^2=\frac{KQq}{R}+\frac{1}{8}mV^2
Solving, i get:
V=2\sqrt{\frac{2}{3}}m/s

Thanks for the help!
 
Excellent! :cool: (although you omitted the "f" subscript from the energy equation)

ehild
 
ehild said:
Excellent! :cool: (although you omitted the "f" subscript from the energy equation)

ehild

Thanks! :smile:
Yes, i skipped the step and wrote 1/8mV^2.
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Thanks! :smile:
Yes, i skipped the step and wrote 1/8mV^2.

I see. Think of the supervisors, their mind is not so quick as yours: Do not skip the first step.

ehild
 
ehild said:
I see. Think of the supervisors, their mind is not so quick as yours: Do not skip the first step.

ehild

Haha, i can do it here because the supervisor is you. :smile:
 
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