Find Partial Derivatives of z with Respect to u and v

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the partial derivatives of z with respect to u and v using the chain rule, where z is defined as z = arctan(x/y) with x and y expressed in terms of u and v.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the chain rule and the derivatives of arctan, questioning the correctness of the original poster's calculations and the simplifications made.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing examination of the original poster's attempts, with some participants providing feedback on potential errors and suggesting areas for simplification. Multiple interpretations of the derivatives are being explored, and guidance is being offered regarding the need for clearer presentation of steps taken.

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Participants note the importance of showing work in homework submissions and the potential impact of simplification on the correctness of the answers. There is also mention of a homework checker that may have specific requirements.

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Homework Statement


Find \frac{\partial z}{\partial u} and \frac{\partial z}{\partial v} using the chain rule.

z = \arctan(\frac{x}{y}) , x=u^2+v^2 , y=u^2-v^2

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The Attempt at a Solution



\frac{\partial z}{\partial u} = \frac{4uv^2}{v^4 - 2u^2v^2 + u^4} * \frac{1}{1+((u^2+v^2)/(u^2-v^2))^2)}

\frac{\partial z}{\partial v} = \frac{4u^2v}{v^4 - 2u^2v^2 + u^4} * \frac{1}{(1+((u^2+v^2)/(u^2-v^2))^2)}

why is my answer wrong?
 
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-EquinoX- said:
why is my answer wrong?

Are we supposed to guess at what steps are written on your paper? :confused:
 
For one thing d(arctan(x))/dx=1/(1+x^2). I think you missed the square.
 
oh you're right, I missed the squares, but it is still wrong
 
Tom Mattson is right. It would be a lot easier to say what is wrong if you would show what you've done. Just showing a wrong answer and saying 'what did I do wrong?' is more of a puzzle than a question. I don't think you've done much wrong. I get a different sign for dz/du and you could certainly simplify them more.
 
well I think the problem here is just from taking the derivative of

\frac{u^2+v^2}{u^2-v^2} with respect to u, right. I realize that there should be a - sign in front of it.. am I right?
 
Yes. But like I said you can also simplify those expressions a lot. I don't know if the HW checker requires this or not.
 
the best simplification I can think of is:

\frac{-4uv}{(u^2-v^2)^2+(u^2+v^2)^2}
 
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Do you mean -4uv/((u^2-v^2)^2+(u^2+v^2)^2)?? I can write that in less space.
 
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Yes that's what I meant
 

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