Find Side AB of Triangle ABC Given M, N, and C

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The discussion revolves around finding the length of side AB in triangle ABC, given specific lengths and angles involving points M and N on side AC. The problem involves geometric relationships and potentially the application of the sine rule and tangent functions.

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  • One participant suggests a proportional relationship between segments, proposing that x/9 = 15/5, but questions whether this is valid.
  • Another participant counters that triangles ABM and BNC are not similar, indicating that the solution is not straightforward.
  • A further reply questions the relevance of the length MN = 11 in the context of the problem.
  • One participant presents a detailed approach using the sine rule in triangles BNC, BMA, and ABC, leading to a derived relationship between angles and sides, ultimately suggesting a calculated value for x.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative method using coordinates and tangent relationships, suggesting a different approach to solving for AB.

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Participants express differing views on the similarity of triangles involved and the methods to solve for side AB. There is no consensus on the best approach or the validity of the initial proportional reasoning.

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Some participants note the complexity of the relationships and the need for careful consideration of angles and triangle properties. The discussion reflects various assumptions and methods without resolving them.

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A     9     M        11        N   5   C
Triangle ABC, BC = 15, AC = 25.
M and N on AC, such that AM = 9, MN = 11 and CN = 5.
Angle ABM = angle CBN.
Calculate side AB.
 
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It seems as simple as x/9 = 15/5, or am I missing something?
 
pickslides said:
It seems as simple as x/9 = 15/5, or am I missing something?
No; those 2 triangles are not similar...and solution NOT simple: guaranteed!
 
pickslides said:
It seems as simple as x/9 = 15/5, or am I missing something?
Are you claiming that triangles ABM and NBC are similar? Also, it is strange that the fact MN = 11 is not used.
 
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From the sine rule in triangle BNC, $\dfrac{\sin\theta}5 = \dfrac{\sin(\theta+\gamma)}{15}$.

From the sine rule in triangle BMA, $\dfrac{\sin\theta}9 = \dfrac{\sin(\theta+\alpha)}x$.

From the sine rule in triangle ABC, $\dfrac{\sin\alpha}{15} = \dfrac{\sin\gamma}x = \dfrac{\sin(\alpha+\gamma)}{25}$.

That gives four equations for the four unknowns $x$, $\theta$, $\alpha$, $\gamma$. So all you have to do is to solve the equations to find $x$.

In practice, I struggled to do that, but eventually I managed to eliminate $x$ and $\theta$ from the equations and ended with the relation $\sin\alpha = \tfrac23\sin\gamma.$ From there, it was easy to conclude that $\boxed{x = 22.5}.$ (Also, $\cos\alpha = \tfrac{29}{36}$, $\cos\gamma = \tfrac{11}{24}$ and $\tan\theta = \tfrac{\sqrt{455}}{61}.$)
 

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Yep. There is a much easier solution using: A(0,0), C(25,0), B(x,y).
G on AC such that BG perpendicular to AC: AG = x, BG = y (of course).
Let u = angleABM = angleCBN.

TriangleABM: TAN(u) = [y / (x-9) - y/x] / [1 + (y / (x-9))(y/x)]
Do similarly with triangleBCN.
Use above equality and, along with Pythagoras' help with rights ABG and CBG, solve.
 

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