Find Smallest b to Make Invertible Function: Homework Solution

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the smallest value of b for the function f(x) = x^3 + 9x^2 + bx + 8 to be invertible, focusing on the conditions for the function to be strictly increasing or decreasing.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessity of finding the derivative of the function to assess its monotonicity. There are questions about how to handle the variable b in relation to the derivative and the implications of the derivative being positive.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested graphing the derivative for various values of b to understand its behavior. There is an exploration of the relationship between the derivative and the conditions for invertibility, with some participants noting specific values of b and their effects on the derivative.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the derivative being zero at certain points and how that relates to the function's invertibility, particularly in the context of inflection points.

Kqwert
Messages
160
Reaction score
3

Homework Statement


Find the smallest value of b so that the function f(x) = x^3 + 9x^2 + bx + 8 is invertible.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that the function has to be only increasing/decreasing, and I think it is needed to find the derivative of the function. I do however not know how b should be found.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Kqwert said:

Homework Statement


Find the smallest value of b so that the function f(x) = x^3 + 9x^2 + bx + 8 is invertible.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that the function has to be only increasing/decreasing, and I think it is needed to find the derivative of the function. I do however not know how b should be found.

Why not find the derivative and see what you can do with that?
 
I did find the derivative, i.e

f'(x) = 3x^2 + 18x + b. But I am unsure what to do from there.
 
Kqwert said:
I did find the derivative, i.e

f'(x) = 3x^2 + 18x + b. But I am unsure what to do from there.

What do you know about an increasing function and its derivative?
 
It´s positive, but I am a bit confused re. how I should treat b when x is also unknown.
 
Kqwert said:
It´s positive, but I am a bit confused re. how I should treat b when x is also unknown.

Okay, so you need ##f'(x)## to be generally positive. Can you graph the function ##f'(x)## for some values of ##b## to see what's happening? E.g. ##b=0, 10, 100##
 
PeroK said:
Okay, so you need ##f'(x)## to be generally positive. Can you graph the function ##f'(x)## for some values of ##b## to see what's happening? E.g. ##b=0, 10, 100##
Thanks. For b = 27 the derivative is zero at x = -3, but is positive for all other values of x. Is this the correct answer?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: PeroK
Kqwert said:
Thanks. For b = 27 the derivative is zero at x = -3, but is positive for all other values of x. Is this the correct answer?

Yes, any less than 27 and the derivative is negative on an interval. You might like to think about the invertibility of a function that has an inflection point, as is the case for ##b =27## here.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
Replies
8
Views
2K
Replies
13
Views
5K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K