Find Spring Constant for Two Springs in Series

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To find the effective spring constant for two springs in series, the relationship is derived as k3 = 2k1k2/(k1+k2). The net force on the system is equal for both springs, leading to the equation F = k3(x1 + x2). The discussion highlights that springs in series behave like resistors in parallel, while springs in parallel behave like resistors in series. A correction was made regarding the force equations, ensuring clarity in the derivation. The conversation concludes with an acknowledgment of the ease of extending the formula to multiple springs.
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Two springs are in series. You know the constants for each individual spring. How do you find the spring constant for the spring system?

|-OOOOO---o---OOOOOOOOOO-| --->F
In the middle of the spring system (where the "o" is) the net force is zero and we have
k1x1=k2x2 disregarding sign
F=k3x3
x3 =x2+x1
F=k3(x2+x1)
F=k3(k1x1/k2+x1)
F=k3*x1/k2*(k1+k2)
but F=k1x1+k2x2
F=2k1x1
2k1x1=k3*x1/k2*(k1+k2)
2k1k2=k3(k1+k2)
k3=2k1k2/(k1+k2)

Is this right?
 
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Looks OK.
Now try to find a similar expression for N springs..:)
 
Looks to me like you have an extra factor of 2 in there. Springs in series add as Resistors in parallel. So

1/KT = 1/K1+ 1/K2

OR


KT= (K1+K2)/(K1K2)

Also Springs in parallel add as resistors in series.

KT=K1+K2

I do not have time to do the derivation now. Should be able to post it later to day. A key is that in the series case the force seen by each spring is equal, while in the parallel case the extensions are equal.
 
Originally posted by Integral
Looks to me like you have an extra factor of 2 in there. Springs in series add as Resistors in parallel. So

1/KT = 1/K1+ 1/K2
Ah, I see my mistake. I have F=k1x1+k2x2 but F=k2x1=k1x1. I need to be more careful.
 
OK, that looks better!
http://home.comcast.net/~rossgr1/Math/Spring_constant.PDF is my derivation. As long as I was at it I did the case for parallel springs also.

BTW: it would be trivial to extend this to multiple springs.
 
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Thank you, Integral. I have put your work into my physics notebook (hope you don't mind).
 
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