Find the average power absorbed by a specific resistor in circuit

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average power absorbed by a 2Ω resistor in a given circuit. Participants explore various methods of analysis, including impedance calculations, current division, and voltage division, while addressing the implications of the circuit's configuration and the nature of the power source.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a method for calculating total impedance and current through the 2Ω resistor, raising a question about how to determine the angle for average power calculation.
  • Another participant suggests using complex power to find the average power consumed by the resistor, indicating that the real part of the complex power gives the average value.
  • There is a discussion about the symbol used for the power source, with some participants questioning whether it is a voltage or current source, leading to confusion about the correct interpretation of the circuit diagram.
  • A later reply confirms the source is a voltage source but raises a concern about whether the value is still considered RMS.
  • One participant suggests that even if the source is a current source, the impedance calculations remain valid, and they recalculate total voltage and current based on this assumption.
  • Another participant asserts that once the current through the 2Ω resistor is found, the average power can be calculated directly using Ohm's Law.
  • There is a clarification that average power and instantaneous power are different, with a note on the sinusoidal variation of instantaneous power in the resistor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the power source and its implications for calculations. While some agree on the methods for calculating average power, there is no consensus on the interpretation of the circuit diagram or the definitions of power versus average power.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion stemming from the circuit diagram's representation of the power source, which affects the calculations and interpretations of the circuit's behavior.

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Homework Statement



http://imageshack.us/a/img850/788/yk72.jpg

Find the average power absorbed by the 2Ω resistor in the circuit (pictured above)


Homework Equations



Average power = (1/2)(Imax)(Vmax)(cosø)

x=rcosθ
y=rsinθ


current division, voltage division

The Attempt at a Solution




So trying to get total impedance, first I get this (2 || -2j):

http://imageshack.us/a/img30/5500/wpwn.jpg


then this (1-1j + 2j):

http://imageshack.us/a/img856/1788/u357.jpg


then (1 +1j) || 4

= (1/1+1j + 1/4)-1

= (5 + 1j)/(4 + 4j)-1

= (4 + 4j)/(5 + 1j)

multiplying by conjugate (5 - 1j)/(5 - 1j) got me

= (24 + 16j)/24


Z total = 0.923 + 0.6153j

Z total = (1.109 ∠ 33.68°)Ω


I total = (6∠0)/(1.109 ∠ 33.68°)

I total = (5.41 ∠ -33.68A)


doing current division, current in the middle branch is:

I = (5.41 ∠ -33.68)*(4 / [5 + 1j] )

I = (5.41 ∠ -33.68)*(4∠0 / 5.099 ∠ 11.3)

I = (4.243 ∠ -45°)A in mid branch

Then doing current division again where 2 || -2j, the current through the 2Ω would be

I = (4.243 ∠ -45°)A * (-2j/[2 - 2j] )

I = (4.243 ∠ -45°)A * (2 ∠ -90 / 2.82 ∠ -45)


I = (3.009 ∠ -90°)A through the 2Ω


For the voltage across the 2Ω it's

V = (6 ∠ 0)*( [1-1j]/[1 + 1j] )

V = (6 ∠ 0)*(1.41∠-45 / 1.41∠45)

V = (6∠-90°)V across the 2Ω resistor


So now I have

Pavg = (1/2)*(6)(3.009)*cosø


So my only question is, how to find ø? Is it the angle of total impedance of the whole circuit or just of the 2Ω resistor?
 
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I assume that 6|_0 is the value for voltage source. here 6 is the rms value of voltage
in the branch near this voltage source, impedance is 1+1j as calculated by you. let z1= 1+1j
The voltage source is connected across this z1.
let v= 6|_0.
complex power consumed by the brach is v^2/z1. do it with scientific calculator. since only one(2 ohm) resistor is present in the branch, the real part of the complex power gives the average value of power consumed by the resistor.
 
The symbol for the source in your diagram is not very common. Can you confirm that it is a voltage source rather than a current source? Usually an arrow (or arrow-like symbol) included inside a circle or diamond shape implies a current source.

If it is indeed a voltage source, what's the corresponding symbol for a current source in your symbol system?
 
Yes it's a voltage source. I've edited the starting problem image to show exactly how it looked on the original question now. Is it still RMS value?
 
Color_of_Cyan said:
Yes it's a voltage source. I've edited the starting problem image to show exactly how it looked on the original question now. Is it still RMS value?

I believe that that would make it a current source. The circle with an arrow inside of it is a standard one for a current source.
 
It still says 'V' as if it were a voltage source though. I'm not too sure what it means, but that's exactly how it's given (along with the arrow though).
 
Color_of_Cyan said:
It still says 'V' as if it were a voltage source though. I'm not too sure what it means, but that's exactly how it's given (along with the arrow though).

Very strange. It's marked "6 ∠0° V" beside it?
 
Yes. I'll try it over as a current source then and get back to you.
 
Sorry for getting back to this late..

Okay it looks like it was a typo on the Professor's part or whoever printed it (it's printed on a paper not from a textbook but probably copied over wrong or something. Whatever.)


Even if it's a current source, the impedance in the circuit is still the same. So,

Z total is still = (1.109 ∠ 33.68°)Ω assuming I still found this correctly

total voltage is V = IZ, so

Vtot = (6 ∠ 0)*(1.109 ∠ 33.68)

Vtot = (6.654 ∠ 33.68)V


Then, doing the same methods as before (current and voltage divisions) I got

I = (4.706∠-11.3)A in middle wire

I = (3.337∠-56.3)A for the 2Ω

V = (6.654∠-56.32)V across the 2Ω

Pavg = (1/2)(6.654)(3.337)cosø

average power is still be without an angle for cos though, what would it be? The total impedance of the circuit?
 
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As soon as you have found the current in the 2Ω resistor of interest you are finished. Just I2 R and you're done. :smile: Power doesn't have an angle.

Whatever means you use to arrive at the voltage across the resistor (or any resistor, for that matter), it must always have the same angle as that resistor's current. So once you have determined one, you have as good as determined the other, just apply Ohm's Law (merely a scaling factor).
 
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Thought there was a difference between power and average power?

Got 22W for that then
 
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Color_of_Cyan said:
Thought there was a difference between power and average power?
That is indeed true. Instantaneous power in the resistor does vary sinusoidally, and it does so at double the frequency of the voltage and current sinusoids.

p(t) = v(t).i(t)
 

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