Total power of resistors in a circuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the total power of resistors in a circuit, focusing on the application of Thevenin equivalents and power formulas. Participants are attempting to solve a homework problem involving circuit analysis and power calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a method to calculate total power using the equation PT=PR1+PR2+PR3+PR4+PR5 and mentions specific values for PR1 and PR5 based on current generators.
  • Another participant questions the voltages across resistors R2, R3, and R4, suggesting to disregard Thevenin equivalents for this calculation.
  • A different participant expresses skepticism about the Thevenin equivalents used, particularly the Thevenin Resistance value, and suggests considering the effects of suppressing both sources in the sub-circuit.
  • One participant realizes the voltages across R2 and R4 and calculates the voltage across R3, proposing to use the formula P=U^2/R for power calculations.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on the correctness of the initial power calculations for PR1 and PR5, along with a request for clarification on the voltages across other resistors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the correctness of the power calculations for PR1 and PR5. However, there is disagreement regarding the use of Thevenin equivalents and the calculations of voltages across other resistors, indicating multiple competing views and unresolved aspects of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the Thevenin Resistance value and the implications of suppressing sources, which may affect the overall analysis. There are also unresolved steps in calculating the total power and the voltages across certain resistors.

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Homework Statement


In this problem we are asked to calculate the total power of the resistors in the circuit below.
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Homework Equations



##P=I^2R##

The Attempt at a Solution


My solution goes like this:
PT=PR1+PR2+PR3+PR4+PR5
I can find PR1 and PR5 immediately from the given current generators:
PR1=IG1^2*R1
PR5=IG2^2*R5
Second.JPG

Since i know those powers one i don't need the current generators and can transform the right and left sides to thevenin equivalents:
Clearly
ET1=-ET2
ET1=E1=24V and RT1=R1=12Ω (i hope i got this right)
Third.JPG

Forth.JPG

Now we can see that we have this type of situation. I transformed the resistor 3 as in the picture and can divide the circuits into 2 and the powers of the resistors will the sum of two.
Fifth.JPG

I will be solving the left one:
Re=R3R2/(R3+R2)=4Ω
I=ET1/(Re+R1) = 24/18 = 4/3 A
and the power of two element are P3'+P2=Re*(4/3)^2 and that times 2 is the total power.
Something is wrong here. The result should yield 312 W and i just don't get that. What is wrong?
 
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PR1 and PR5 are correct.

Now, what are the voltages across R2, R3 and R4 ? ( Forget about Thevenin and so on )
 
I'm not liking your Thevenin equivalents. In particular, I don't like the Thevenin Resistance value. What happens when you suppress both sources in the sub-circuit that you're converting?

I also think you're missing out on further opportunities to directly calculate powers in certain resistors. You should have a formula for power when you know the voltage across a resistor, as well as one for when you know the current through it.
 
Oh, how dumb of me. I have the voltage across R2 and R4 and it's 24V for the R2 and -24 for the R4 so the voltage across R3 is -48V right? If so the formula is ##P=\frac{U^2}{R}##
 
Hesch said:
PR1 and PR5 are correct.

Now, what are the voltages across R2, R3 and R4 ? ( Forget about Thevenin and so on )

gneill said:
I'm not liking your Thevenin equivalents. In particular, I don't like the Thevenin Resistance value. What happens when you suppress both sources in the sub-circuit that you're converting?

I also think you're missing out on further opportunities to directly calculate powers in certain resistors. You should have a formula for power when you know the voltage across a resistor, as well as one for when you know the current through it.
Is the above corrrect?
 
doktorwho said:
Oh, how dumb of me. I have the voltage across R2 and R4 and it's 24V for the R2 and -24 for the R4 so the voltage across R3 is -48V right? If so the formula is ##P=\frac{U^2}{R}##
Right.
 
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