Find the derivative of the given function

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of a function involving polynomial and radical expressions. The subject area includes calculus, specifically differentiation techniques.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants share various expressions for the derivative, with some noting the complexity of the calculations involved. There is mention of using logarithmic differentiation as a potentially simpler approach. Questions arise regarding the simplification of logarithmic terms before differentiation.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different methods of differentiation and questioning the efficiency of their approaches. Some guidance on logarithmic differentiation has been offered, and there is recognition of the need to simplify expressions before applying differentiation techniques.

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Participants are considering the implications of using logarithmic differentiation and the importance of simplifying terms to facilitate the differentiation process. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the original expressions being differentiated.

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Homework Statement
See attached( I want to attempt the problem using quotient and product rule).
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Differentiation
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Let's see how messy it gets...

##\dfrac{dy}{dx}=\dfrac{(1-10x)(\sqrt{x^2+2})5x^4 -(x^5)(-10)(\sqrt{x^2+2})-x^5(1-10x)\frac{1}{2}(x^2+2)^{-\frac{1}{2}}2x}{[(1-10x)(\sqrt{x^2+2})]^2}##

##\dfrac{dy}{dx}=\dfrac{5x^4(1-10x)(x^2+2)+(10x^5(x^2+2))-x^6(1-10x)}{\sqrt{x^2+2}}⋅\dfrac{1}{[(1-10x)(\sqrt{x^2+2})]^2}####\dfrac{dy}{dx}=\dfrac{5x^4(1-10x)(x^2+2)+(10x^5(x^2+2))-x^6(1-10x)}{\sqrt{x^2+2}}⋅\dfrac{1}{[(1-10x)^2(\sqrt{x^2+2})^2]}##

##\dfrac{dy}{dx}=\dfrac{5x^4(1-10x)(x^2+2)+(10x^5(x^2+2))-x^6(1-10x)}{[(1-10x)^2(\sqrt{x^2+2})^3]}##

##\dfrac{dy}{dx}=\dfrac{5x^4}{(1-10x)\sqrt{x^2+2}}+\dfrac{10x^5}{[(1-10x)^2\sqrt{x^2+2}}-\dfrac{x^6}{[(1-10x)\sqrt{x^2+2})^3]}##

Factoring out ##\dfrac{1}{(1-10x)\sqrt{x^2+2}}## will give the desired result.

Bingo!! :cool:
 
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chwala said:
Let's see how messy it gets...

##\dfrac{dy}{dx}=\dfrac{(1-10x)(\sqrt{x^2+2})5x^4 -(x^5)(-10x)(\sqrt{x^2+2})-x^5(1-10x)\frac{1}{2}(x^2+2)^{-\frac{1}{2}}2x}{[(1-10x)(\sqrt{x^2+2})]^2}##

##\dfrac{dy}{dx}=\dfrac{5x^4(1-10x)(x^2+2)+(10x^6(x^2+2))-x^6(1-10x)}{\sqrt{x^2+2}}⋅\dfrac{1}{[(1-10x)(\sqrt{x^2+2})]^2}##

##\dfrac{dy}{dx}=\dfrac{5x^4(1-10x)(x^2+2)+(10x^6(x^2+2))-x^6(1-10x)}{\sqrt{x^2+2}}⋅\dfrac{1}{[(1-10x)^2(\sqrt{x^2+2})^2]}##

checking latex a minute
That's pretty messy. The logarithmic differentiation that was recommended seems to be a lot simpler.
 
Mark44 said:
That's pretty messy. The logarithmic differentiation that was recommended seems to be a lot simpler.
True...just a little exercise for the brain... :cool:
 
I'd just like to note that, in the proposed solution by taking logs before differentiating, one should first simplify \ln(x^5) = 5 \ln x and \ln(\sqrt{x^2 + 2}) = \frac12\ln(x^2 + 2) before taking the derivative, thereby saving an application of the chain rule.
 
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