Find the electric field at an arbitrary point

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The problem involves a charge distribution with spherical symmetry characterized by a volumetric density given by an exponential function. The tasks include finding the total charge and the electric field at an arbitrary point.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of the charge density to find the total charge and question the validity of the original poster's approach to finding the electric field using Gauss's law.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and suggesting the need for clarification on the application of Gauss's law. There is a recognition that the electric field expression may require an exponential factor, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly integrating the charge density over the appropriate volume and question the assumptions made regarding the total charge and its relation to the electric field calculation.

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Homework Statement



A distribution of charge with spherical symmetry has volumetric density given by: $$ \rho(r) = \rho_0 e^{ \frac {-r} {a} }, \left( 0 \leq r < \infty \right); $$
where ##\rho_0## and ##a## is constant.

a) Find the total charge
b) Find ##\vec E## in an arbitrary point

Homework Equations



I've already found the answer of a): ## Q_t = 8\pi a^3 \rho_0##

The Attempt at a Solution



To solve b), I've used the Gauss law (spherical symmetry) and that's what I've found $$ \vec E = \frac {4\pi a^3 \rho_0} {r^2} \vec r .$$
This answer seems to me very acceptable, but I've looked at the solutionary and there's another result pretty much complicated. What do you think?
 
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That's wrong.
 
To find a total charge you need to integrate the density ##\rho## over whole space (spherical coordinates are best here). Luckily ##\rho## gets small pretty quickly so integration gives finite result. a) is exactly like finding a mass of an infinite object with density ##\rho##.
 
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vela said:
That's wrong.
Which one is wrong?

CptXray said:
To find a total charge you need to integrate the density ##\rho## over whole space (spherical coordinates are best here). Luckily ##\rho## gets small pretty quickly so integration gives finite result. a) is exactly like finding a mass of an infinite object with density ##\rho##.

Yes, that's what I did at the answer of a)... Is that answer wrong? I'm not sure if b) answer is right.
 
Mutatis said:
Yes, that's what I did at the answer of a)... Is that answer wrong?
No, sorry I didn't see that in "The attempt at a solution". a) is correct.
 
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vela said:
That's wrong.
Would you please help me to get the right answer for ##\vec E##?
 
Mutatis said:
Would you please help me to get the right answer for ##\vec E##?
Please show your working for part b. Without that it is hard to say where you are going wrong.
It does seem clear to me that there should be an exponential in the answer.
 
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haruspex said:
Please show your working for part b. Without that it is hard to say where you are going wrong.
It does seem clear to me that there should be an exponential in the answer.

First I've used the Gauss law, with the information I got from a): $$ E r^2 4 \pi = \frac {8 \pi a^3 \rho_0} {\varepsilon_0 r^2} \\ \vec E = \frac {4 \pi a^3 \rho_0} {\varepsilon_0 r^2} \vec r .$$
The integral of the left side I did under spherical cordinates and the right side I've used the answer of a).
 
Mutatis said:
First I've used the Gauss law, with the information I got from a): $$ E r^2 4 \pi = \frac {8 \pi a^3 \rho_0} {\varepsilon_0 r^2}$$
The information you show from (a) was the total charge across an infinite region. r therefore does not appear in that expression. I do not see how you can get the above by applying Gauss' law to that.
What do you get for the charge inside radius r?
 
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haruspex said:
The information you show from (a) was the total charge across an infinite region. r therefore does not appear in that expression. I do not see how you can get the above by applying Gauss' law to that.
What do you get for the charge inside radius r?

Oh thank you, I was doing my calculation wrong. So I've tried to do the integrals over r and I got a different answer this time (it doesn't match with the solutionary): $$ E \int_0^r \, da = \frac {4 \pi \rho_0} {\varepsilon_0} \int_0^r e^{\frac {-r} {a}} \, dr \\ 4 \pi r^2 E = \frac {4 \pi \rho_0} {\varepsilon_0}\left. \left(-a e^{\frac {-r} {a}} \right)\right|_0^r \\ \vec E = \frac { \rho_0} {\varepsilon_0 r^2} \left( a - e^{\frac {-r} {a}} \right) \vec r $$
 
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Mutatis said:
Oh thank you, I was doing my calculation wrong. So I've tried to do the integrals over r and I got a different answer this time (it doesn't match with the solutionary): $$ E \int_0^r \, da = \frac {4 \pi \rho_0} {\varepsilon_0} \int_0^r e^{\frac {-r} {a}} \, dx \\ 4 \pi r^2 E = \frac {4 \pi \rho_0} {\varepsilon_0}\left. \left(-a e^{\frac {-r} {a}} \right)\right|_0^r \\ \vec E = \frac { \rho_0} {\varepsilon_0 r^2} \left( a - e^{\frac {-r} {a}} \right) \vec r $$
You are still going wrong right at the start.
The charge density is ##\rho(r)=\rho_0e^{-\frac ra}##.
Consider a spherical shell, radius r, thickness dr. What is the charge on the shell?
 
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I've took out ##\rho_0## of the integral because it's a constant...
 
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Mutatis said:
I've took out ##\rho_0## of the integral because it's a constant...
That does not explain it.
I ask again, what is the charge on the shell? It is not ρ - that is the charge density on the shell.
 

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