Find the limit a such that the definite integral equals 8

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The problem involves finding the limit "a" such that the definite integral of the function abs(2x - x^2) equals 8, within the context of real numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the behavior of the function f(x) = 2x - x^2, noting its positivity and negativity across different intervals. There are attempts to rewrite the integral and analyze the resulting expressions, leading to a cubic polynomial. Some participants question the correctness of assumptions regarding the function's behavior and the limits of integration.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning and suggesting corrections. There is acknowledgment of mistakes made in earlier calculations, and some participants express that visual aids, like graphs, have been helpful in clarifying the problem.

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There are constraints regarding the interpretation of the absolute value function and the limits of integration, which are under discussion. Participants also mention the implications of the function being positive or negative in different intervals.

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Find the limit "a" such that the definite integral equals 8

Homework Statement



Hello!

the problem ask me to find for which a in R, does this holds:

2
∫ abs(2x - x^2) = 8
a

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, I see that:

f(x) { if x > 2, then f(x) is negative; if x < 2, then f(x) is positive.

I rewrited the integral and got: (the limits are those inside the brackets)

2
∫ (-2x + x^2) + [2,a]∫ (2x - x^2) = [-a,2] - ∫ (2x - x^2) + [2,a]∫ (2x - x^2) or
-a a
- ∫ (2x - x^2)
-a

I know that in such cases, odd functions cancel. I'm left with the even function. I continued and got:

(2/3) * a^3

and since the definite integral should equal to 8, I just solved for "a" and got: (2/3) * a^3 = 8 or

a = cuberoot(12).

But when I wanted to check if (2/3) * (12)^1/3

I didn't got the expected 8.

...

So it must be wrong.

I don't see the mistake in my answer.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.
 
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You made a mistake where you stated f(x)(i.e 2x-x^2) is positive for x less than 2.

Plug in x = (-1)
 


hello!

You are right. Yeah, I should have said from 0 <= x <= 2.

0
∫ (-2x + x^2) + [0,2]∫ (2x - x^2) = [-a,0] - ∫ (2x - x^2) + [0,2]∫ (2x - x^2)
-a

And then I ended with a cubic polynomial:

a^3 + 3a^2 -20 = 0

Which has negative discriminant...

and its real solution , which is

a = 2

Doesn't work...

:(
 
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Your expression is nearly right.You have made a small error.

(Hint:in the expression coeffient of one term(either a^3 or a^2 term should come up negative)
 


Solving the sum is pretty easy.

Since the graph of abs|f(x)| will lie always above x axis, amd the integral fetches a positive value a<2 (cause if a>2 integral of any positive function for a to 2 will be negative)

If 2>a>0 you can remove || as it has no meaning.
If a<0, the you can break the integral from a to 0 integral of [-f(x)] {why did i multioly with minus?} and from 0 to 2[integral of f(x)] {why no minus here?} .

Solve the sum to be equal to 8.
 


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The above is the graph of f(x) = |2x - x2| .

For 0 < x < 2 , f(x) = 2x - x2 .

For all other values of x, f(x) = x2 - 2x .

By the way, f(x) is never negative.

 

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naaa00 said:

Homework Statement




(2/3) * a^3 = 8 or

a = cuberoot(12).

But when I wanted to check if (2/3) * (12)^1/3

I didn't got the expected 8.

Apparently I commited a mistake at the beginning (and all of the time) when I wanted to check the value of a. You see in the quote when doing the substituion

(2/3) * (12)^1/3

It is supposed to be (2/3) * (12), which is equal to 8. For some reason I was not canceling the cube root of 12.

But still I my first answer was sloppy. Actually the suggestions (specially the graph) helped me a lot! I tried solving it again and got the answer correct!

Thank you!
 


naaa00 said:
...

Actually the suggestions (specially the graph) helped me a lot! I tried solving it again and got the answer correct!

Thank you!
You're welcome.

As they say, "A picture is worth a thousand words."
 

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