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The discussion revolves around finding the limit of a function involving an integral, specifically the limit as \( x \) approaches zero. The integral in question is related to the function \( e^{-t^2} \), and participants are exploring the implications of encountering a \( \frac{0}{0} \) form when substituting \( x = 0 \).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the \( \frac{0}{0} \) form and question the validity of concluding that the limit is infinity. Some suggest using trapezoidal approximation to analyze the area under the curve as \( x \) approaches zero. Others raise concerns about the correct integrand and its impact on the area calculation.

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There is an active exploration of different methods to bound the limit, with some participants suggesting lower bounds based on trapezoidal estimates and others questioning how to establish upper bounds. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the approach without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the need to handle the \( \frac{0}{0} \) form appropriately and the potential misidentification of the integrand. The discussion also highlights the importance of visualizing the function and its behavior near the limit.

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Homework Statement


Find the limit of the function ( attached)

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The Attempt at a Solution



Is the limit infinity. Found the integral as (-1/(2t))*e^-2t from 0 to 0.
Isn't the integral of a function that is 0 to 0, 0. The lim of 1/x approaching zero infinity.
 

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Sam Donovan said:

Homework Statement


Find the limit of the function ( attached)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



Is the limit infinity. Found the integral as (-1/(2t))*e^-2t from 0 to 0.
Isn't the integral of a function that is 0 to 0, 0. The lim of 1/x approaching zero infinity.

Apparently you are just plugging in ##x=0##, and getting ##0## for the integral and ##0## for the denominator. In other words, a ##\frac 0 0## form. You can't draw any conclusion from that. But you likely have studied techniques to handle ##\frac 0 0## forms, right?
 
Look, if you put ##x=0##, you have ##\frac{0}{0}## form [##\int_0^x e^{-t^2}dt## is zero when ##x=0##]. So in that case, you cannot conclude that the limit is infinity.
Now, look at the figure:
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If ##x\rightarrow 0##, what will be ##\frac{\int_0^x e^{-t^2}dt}{x}=\frac{Area}{x}## ? [Use trapezoidal approximation of area under the curve, that is, if ##x## is small enough, the area under the curve can be approximated by the area of the trapezoid ##ABCD##]
 
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arpon said:
If ##x\rightarrow 0##, what will be ##\frac{\int_0^x e^{-2t}dt}{x}=\frac{Area}{x}## ?

The integrand is ##e^{-t^2}##, not ##e^{-2t}## so the area can't be calculated directly.
 
LCKurtz said:
The integrand is ##e^{-t^2}##, not ##e^{-2t}## so the area can't be calculated directly.
Thanks for pointing out the mistake. I did not mean to analytically calculate the area, I meant to use the trapezoidal approximation for the area.
 
Sam Donovan said:

Homework Statement


Find the limit of the function ( attached)
Hello Sam Donovan. Welcome to PF !

It's a lot easier to follow the discussion with the following being visible.
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arpon said:
Thanks for pointing out the mistake. I did not mean to analytically calculate the area, I meant to use the trapezoidal approximation for the area.

If you look at the graph of the function ##e^{-t^2}## you will see that the trapezoidal area ##T(x)## underestimates the exact area ##A(x)##, so
$$\frac{T(x)}{x} < \frac{A(x)}{x}.$$
Thus, you can conclude that ##\lim_{t \to 0} (1/x) \int_0^x f(t) \, dt \geq \lim_{x \to 0} T(x)/x##, and so get a lower bound on your desired limit. How can you get an upper bound as well, in order to extract an exact value?
 
Ray Vickson said:
If you look at the graph of the function ##e^{-t^2}## you will see that the trapezoidal area ##T(x)## underestimates the exact area ##A(x)##, so
$$\frac{T(x)}{x} < \frac{A(x)}{x}.$$
Thus, you can conclude that ##\lim_{t \to 0} (1/x) \int_0^x f(t) \, dt \geq \lim_{x \to 0} T(x)/x##, and so get a lower bound on your desired limit. How can you get an upper bound as well, in order to extract an exact value?
$$e^{-t^2}\leq1$$
$$\int^x_0e^{-t^2}\,dt\leq\int^x_0\,dt$$
$$\frac{\int^x_0e^{-t^2}\,dt}{x}\leq\frac{\int^x_0\,dt}{x}$$
 
arpon said:
$$e^{-t^2}\leq1$$
$$\int^x_0e^{-t^2}\,dt\leq\int^x_0\,dt$$
$$\frac{\int^x_0e^{-t^2}\,dt}{x}\leq\frac{\int^x_0\,dt}{x}$$

Right!

An even easier (but looser) lower bound than the trapezoidal one is obtainable from the fact that for ##t \in (0,x)## we have ##e^{-t^2}> e^{-x^2}##, so that ##\int_0^x e^{-t^2} \, dt > \int_0^t e^{-x^2} \, dt = x e^{-x^2}##. Besides, for some other, similar, functions, the trapezoidal estimate produces an upper bound, rather than a lower bound, so you are left unable to make a safe conclusion about the limit; for example because you do not have both a lower and upper bound. For example, consider ##\int_0^x e^{-\sqrt{t}} \, dt## for small ##x > 0##.
 
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