Find the minimum premeter for a rectangle?

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The problem involves determining the minimum amount of fencing required for a rectangular field that has a fixed area, with one side along a river where no fencing is needed. The relationship between the length and width of the rectangle is also a point of discussion.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between area and perimeter, with some suggesting that the goal is to minimize fencing rather than maximize area. There are attempts to derive equations based on the given area and perimeter relationships.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have suggested methods involving differentiation to find stationary points, while others express confusion about the implications of the relationship between length and width.

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There is an assumption that the area is fixed, and participants are questioning how this affects the perimeter calculations. The requirement that one side of the rectangle is along the river adds complexity to the perimeter equation.

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Homework Statement



A rectangular field to contain a given area is fenced off, along a stright river. if no fencing is required along the river, show that the lest amount of fencing will be required when the length of the field is twice its width.

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The Attempt at a Solution



i really don't get how to solve this,
my attempt:
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Please help
 
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You want to maximize the Area, not the Perimeter !
 
but they said they want to minimize the fencing.

even if i did A=lXW, i would end up with A=2w2
if i derive it i get A'=4W, and W=0; ?? i don't get it sorry.
 
@Sammy : The area is given, isn't it?? Why would he want to maximize the area? He has to use the given relation for the area, put it in the perimeter relation and then differentiate it with respect to either length or breadth...find stationary points(where d/dl or d/db is 0) and then use a double differential test to check for maxima or minima.
Also, note how one side will not be fenced. That means a little change in the perimeter relation.

That means something like P = L + 2B and A = L * B. Put A in P to get P = L + 2A/L where A is constant. Find dP/dL and proceed as I said.
 
so if do it like this:
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but i still don't get it, are we not using the fact l=2w, if we did here i would get w=(Ao/(2))1/2

then it doesn't make any sense
 
SVXX said:
@Sammy : The area is given, isn't it?? Why would he want to maximize the area? He has to use the given relation for the area, put it in the perimeter relation and then differentiate it with respect to either length or breadth...find stationary points(where d/dl or d/db is 0) and then use a double differential test to check for maxima or minima.
Also, note how one side will not be fenced. That means a little change in the perimeter relation.

That means something like P = L + 2B and A = L * B. Put A in P to get P = L + 2A/L where A is constant. Find dP/dL and proceed as I said.
Yes, I suppose that's correct.
 
Then A is constant, so A' = 0.

Then P' = 2-(A/W2).

but P' = 0 at min.

0 = 2-(A/W2).

Solve for W.

This does work out!
 

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